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    Hall of Fame

    Obviously, this year's ballot is headed by Derek Jeter, but who else will get in? Does Walker finally get in? How about Schilling? Bonds and Clemens?
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    Jeter, Walker, and Rolen all deserve to get in. If Hoffman is in the hall, Wagner should be too.

    Curt Schilling deserves to be in on numbers alone but heís a scumbag so I hope he doesnít get in.


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    Wasn't expecting Bonds to make it in this year but it's looking pretty good for him so far. Went to the HOF like 5-6 years ago and kinda chuckled that there was like only this one out of the way corner where Bonds was really acknowledged.

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    It's a crime that Edgar got in before Walker.

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    It's a crime that Barry Lamar Bonds is not a first ballot HOFer.

    I don't see him or Clemens getting in this year cause the tracking give them a lot more boost than the older and more stubborn voters.

    I see only Jeter and Larry Walker getting in. Schilling is also tainted by those older voters who hate his guts so I think he will fall short unfortunately.

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    Writers can do a 10 man ballot so thatís what Iíll do. Iíve basically done a 180 on the steroid era guys put them in I donít care anymore just mention it in the museum.

    1. Bonds
    2. Clemens
    3. Jeter
    4. Wagner
    5. Schilling
    6. Kent
    7. Ramirez
    8. Sosa
    9. Sheffield
    10. Walker


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    Hopefully, Jeter, Bonds, Clemens, Walker, Wagner, Schilling.

    Likely, Jeter, Walker and one of Wagner or Rolen.

    On a side note, does anyone think the sign stealing scandal actually helps Bonds and Clemens get in? Now there is a new pet scandal at the precise right time?


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    So far itís Jeter, Walker, and Schilling.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShinobiNYC View Post
    It's a crime that Barry Lamar Bonds is not a first ballot HOFer.

    I don't see him or Clemens getting in this year cause the tracking give them a lot more boost than the older and more stubborn voters.

    I see only Jeter and Larry Walker getting in. Schilling is also tainted by those older voters who hate his guts so I think he will fall short unfortunately.
    It's a crime that bond's used illegal substances without a prescription and then lied under oath.

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    Will be a total joke if bonds and or Clemens get in .

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaban2.0 View Post
    It's a crime that bond's used illegal substances without a prescription and then lied under oath.
    He wasn't judged or sanctioned when he played for something that was spread around the majors. Some who already are suspected to have used already got in (Pudge, Piazza and Bagwell) so why make them both the scapegoats of a cheating era that both the media and the commissioner refused to both investigate and just ban by calling it like it is....cheating. Oh they needed that era to save baseball from the unpopularity of the 1994/1995 strike that made so many fans unhappy with the game, well they have to live with that decision now.

    And what about those who confessed to use amphetamines in the 60s and 70s? That is banned now but nobody would argue against players from that era.

    It's just too hard to choose who to not accept in the HOF since the rules and regulations are different from era to era.

    We can't use 2020 society to judge Ty Cobb who played in the 1910s and 1920s for example.

    That's why a lot of voters draw a line in the fact that only players who were actually punished by MLB (Pete Rose, Manny Ramirez and pretty soon A-Rod) they are the ones who can't get in because of that character clause in the HOF.

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    ^^^^

    "there's no scraps in my scrapbook"

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    My list

    1. Bonds - arguably the greatest player of all time, PED's don't do enough to make a player this great
    2. Clemens - arguably the greatest pitcher of all-time, PED's don't do enough to make a player this great
    3. Schilling - 27th pitching in rWAR, 53rd in WAR7, 27th in JAWS. He's above the base line, and easily within the 75 greatest pitchers of all-time, also a good post-season seals it for me
    4. Derek Jeter - despite being criminally over-rated his entire career, he's still an easy Hall of Famer. One of the best offensive shortstops of all-time, great post-season career, plenty of length to his career too.
    5. Larry Walker - 141 OPS+? Yes please. I don't care if played in Coors for a lot of his career, when you park and league adjust, he was a beastly 5 tool player for a long time. He's probably the 10th best Right Fielder of all time, and the best not elected so far. Out of 25 already elected Right Fielders, he's an easy choice as well.
    6. Scott Rolen - 5th best defensive third basemen, while being a top 20 offensive third basemen making him one of the 10 best third basemen ever. Out of 16 elected Third basemen, and the best to not have been elected, he belongs in.



    I remain on the fence about Manny, Sheffield and Pettite. For me, they are all already very borderline players, and the fact that each is a known PED user doesn't help push them over an edge. I can get over PED's for guys that are slam dunk cases, but for borderline guys, it matters to me about as much as a great or a horrible post-season career can matter to me.

    I like Helton, Andruw Jones, and Bobby Abreu quite a bit, but for me, they are all just a little short and would only be elected if we were choosing to expand the Hall of Fame. But I won't cry if any get elected.

    Billy Wagner deserves consideration only for the fact that Trevor Hoffman went right in.

    The rest are easy 'no's' for me.

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    Some will bash me for this question, but I think it's a legitimate one
    Would Derek Jeter be so strongly considered a HOFer were he not a Yankee?
    Yet some today asking 'will he be voted in unanimously?' Seriously?! Even AS a Yankee I don't see him as necessarily first ballot...unanimously?!!
    gotta love 'referential' treatment

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    Some will bash me for this question, but I think it's a legitimate one
    Would Derek Jeter be so strongly considered a HOFer were he not a Yankee?
    He's absolutely a HOFer regardless of uniform, he's the 6th best SS of all time by fWAR and only 2 of the 4 guys above him aren't in the HOF: ARod, who's not yet eligible and Bill Dahlen who played his last game 109 years ago. He's also in the top 10 all time for HRs and AVG, which is like catnip to HOF voters.

    I think he'd get in on the first ballot even if he played his entire career by an easily overlooked team like the Twins, being a Yankee with 5 rings just makes it even easier for the writers to vote for him.

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