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  1. #646
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    Year 2 is so important for JJAW. If he doesn't show enough improvement I just don't see how he will be on the roster next season.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kobe1016 View Post
    Year 2 is so important for JJAW. If he doesn't show enough improvement I just don't see how he will be on the roster next season.
    I have a feeling he will be a bum in year 2.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaydubb View Post
    I could be wrong but I think he was joking. I think he was referring to us being so good on 1st and 2nd down that we wonít have very many 3rd down opportunities.

    That being said, I agree with you. Carson wentz is the X factor. With the ball in his hands the eagles will always be very good on 3rd down in my opinion
    Was totally joking.


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    Quote Originally Posted by jaydubb View Post
    What?!?!!? The redskins had the lowest 3rd down conversion in football. I canít believe you said that but you really did
    You actually had me for a sec. well done. He uses more emojis than PsD ones though.


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    Eagles Offseason Thread

    Quote Originally Posted by koldjerky View Post
    You actually had me for a sec. well done. He uses more emojis than PsD ones though.


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    Llullz.. I donít know how he does it because I do it from my phone too but every time I do an emoji it doesnít show up on the regular site, just in mobile. Like for example [emoji848][emoji15][emoji2][emoji1] [emoji533][emoji533][emoji3084][emoji3079][emoji218][emoji165]

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    Eagles Offseason Thread

    https://www.bleedinggreennation.com/...-football-pick

    PFF says they think kívon wallace is a steal for the eagles. I loved this pick, probably my favorite pick overall based on where the pick was in the draft.

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    Wallace is def the one I like the most. I think heís our starter in the 2021 season and they let Mills walk

    I also love the Hightower and Watkins picks because regardless of higher capital picks in reagor and whiteside Iím excited to see how guys with that kind of size, speed and playmaking potential who produced in college help round out the unit

    Assuming they translate to the nfl Iíd rather have specialty guys like that at the bottom of the unit

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    Meh, I have nothing better to do.

    Letís cut right to the chase. I donít understand what Howie Roseman and the Philadelphia Eagles have been thinking over the last two years.

    Flashback to last yearís NFL Draft, in which the Eagles entered with the No. 25 overall pick. When youíre picking at the end of the first round, youíre mostly looking to grab the best available player and, as the draft wore on, a left tackle named Andre Dillard fell further down the board than expected. Knowing that the Eagles had, in Jason Peters, a talented yet aging left tackle, Roseman moved up three spots to No. 22 overall to select Dillard, and gave up a fourth-rounder and sixth-rounder to make it happen.

    The plan seemed obvious ó let Dillard sit behind Peters for a season, back him up in case Peters got injured (which he did), and let Dillard take the job for himself in 2020. Dillard played reasonably well at left tackle, certainly about as well as you would expect a rookie making his first three career starts would play. Was there a lot of room for improvement? Sure, but he was OK over there, and there was reason to think heíd improve with more playing time.

    But then came the Seattle game. The right tackle debacle. Dillard proved incapable of switching sides on the offensive line and was benched by halftime. He appeared beaten before he ever stepped on the field, which is not something a football coach or general manager likes to see. There was also an incident in training camp where he appeared to cry after getting into an on-field skirmish with Derek Barnett. Apparently it wasnít the only such outburst that occurred in 2019.

    These are not great things, and perhaps even red flags. If the Eagles have doubts about the kid, itís understandable. But with reports this week that the Birds and Peters may be reuniting this season, it calls into question the selection of Dillard in the first place. Are the Eagles really willing to let their first round pick, a guy they traded up to get, a guy they had pinned as the teamís future franchise left tackle, sit on the bench for another year? If so, how bad a pick was this? Did they know enough about Dillard before they drafted him? Because if he sits in 2020, itís essentially a wasted first round pick.


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    In the second round, they wisely picked Miles Sanders, an explosive runner and outstanding receiver out of the backfield. Canít criticize that move, Sanders looks like a stud. But a few picks later, they chose wide receiver JJ Arcega-Whiteside, who was absolutely dismal in 2019. He was so dismal the team drafted three additional wide receivers in the 2020 draft (Jalen Reagor, John Hightower, Quez Watkins), and traded for Marquise Goodwin from the 49ers. Itís entirely possible JJAW doesnít even make the team in 2020.

    Also last off-season, the Eagles wisely decided to let Nick Foles walk in free agency. That was the correct decision. They also made the correct decision to commit to Carson Wentz long-term, signing him to a four-year, $128 million contract with $66.4 million guaranteed. At the time, it seemed like the right thing to do, but there were certainly concerns about Wentzí durability. He had missed the end of the 2017 season as well as the playoffs with his knee injury, started the Ď18 season late and then missed the end of that season with a back injury. But Carson stayed healthy for all of 2019 and, with some poor games in the middle of the season and his wide receivers actively hurting him and costing them literal wins aside, he rallied the offense with MVP-like play over the seasonís final month, landing the Birds an NFC East title.

    The investment in Carson Wentz was smart. Of course, Wentz was concussed on a ďcheap shotĒ by Jadeveon Clowney early in their playoff loss to Seattle, costing him virtually the entire game. That was a bummer, but most intelligent fans realized Wentzí ďinjuryĒ that day had nothing to do with being ďinjury prone.Ē A large and fast human being illegally smashed into the back of his head with his helmet. The Hulk would have gotten a concussion from that blow.

    Fast forward to the 2020 Draft, in which Roseman, Doug Pederson and Andy Weidl went against the grain and selected Oklahoma QB Jalen Hurts in the second round of the draft.

    Folks, itís this simple. The Eagles didnít draft Hurts with a second round pick to a back-up QB for his entire career. They didnít draft him to trade him for the exact same pick a year from now. And they didnít draft Hurts to be a gimmick, gadget QB. They drafted him because they believe he can play quarterback and be a playmaker.

    The drafting of Hurts can only mean one thing ó they donít fully trust Carson Wentz as their man for the future.

    Thatís quite a 180-degree turn from a few months before when they gave Wentz the mega contract and made it clear to everyone in the locker room that Carson was the guy. Now, with Hurts in the fold, the picture is once again murky, and Wentz canít be happy. Instead of gaining another playmaker on offense, or a defensive player that will help keep games closer, they drafted his competition in the second round, the guy who undoubtedly hopes to be a starting quarterback in the league at some point.

    So what changed between the time Roseman gave Wentz his contract and Round 2 of the NFL Draft? The concussion? A concussion that would have concussed every other player in the NFL had he been hit like that? Is that what turned Carson from the franchiseís QB of the future to a guy who now has to question whether or not the team really believes in him as their guy? Roseman and Pederson can say all they want that ďtheyíre married to Wentz,Ē but actions speak a lot louder than words.

    No matter what, one of Rosemanís two decisions was awful ó either signing Wentz to the long-term deal or drafting Hurts. There is no in between.

    Regardless, Hurts isnít getting on the field in 2020 unless itís for a couple snaps here and there. Itís likely his development as a QB will take a couple years. How is that worth the investment of a second round pick? It isnít, unless you believe that pick will one day be your starting quarterback.

    And what about helping Wentz this off-season? Sure, they drafted Jalen Reagor, a speed guy who will hopefully give Carson another field-stretching option, but selected him over Justin Jefferson, a wideout who had a more established track record in college. Weíll see how wise that pick was. But why did Roseman sit out the free agent wide receiver market entirely? Why did he not trade for a wideout until the draft, when he got the underperforming and oft-injured Marquise Goodwin? Why did they rely solely on the draft to improve at that all-important position?


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    And why didnít they beat out all other offers for Dallas cornerback Byron Jones instead of giving up trade capital for Darius Slay? People point to Jonesí lack of interceptions and claim heís not a shut-down corner, but those are hollow arguments. Jones doesnít get many interceptions because QBs donít throw in his direction.

    Now hear me, Slay is great, and the Eagles defense will be much better with him, but giving up a 3rd and 5th round pick possibly cost them the opportunity to trade up and get CeeDee Lamb when he started to fall in this yearís first round.

    The Eagles then chose an athletic but untested third round pick on linebacker Davion Taylor, a player who has speed to burn and a ton of upside, but didnít play football in high school and is clearly a developmental player. He wonít see the field as a linebacker in 2020. Right now, the teamís starting linebackers are undrafted free agent T.J. Edwards, Nate Gerry and Duke Riley. Maybe more help will come, but expecting Taylor to play a major role at linebacker is foolhardy, and still leaves the Eagles very weak at that position this year.

    If Roseman really has lost faith in Wentz and has drafted someone they think could be his replacement, if they really do plan to start Peters over Dillard, if they trade Dillard, if they cut Arcega-Whiteside, it at least shows he doesnít fall victim to the sunk cost fallacy. Many franchises fail to move forward because they donít want to admit they made a mistake and eat the cost of those expensive errors. Itís commendable that Roseman doesnít appear to be a victim of that fallacy and is willing to correct mistakes, even pricey ones.

    Itís hard to justify the Wentz/Hurts dilemma, but perhaps Dillard does become the franchise left tackle he was drafted to be, and maybe Arcega-Whiteside lives up to his billing as a second round pick. Maybe Pederson is an offensive genius and is preparing to launch a new offense on the rest of an unsuspecting league. If all that is true, then you can throw these 1500 words in the recycle bin.

    If not, itís fair to wonder if Howie Roseman is just making too many mistakes.

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    I donít know where all of this trade wentz stuff is coming from. Heís arguably a top 3 QB talent in the nfl. If he suffers another major injury then maybe Iíd start thinking about it but if heís healthy again jalen hurts doesnít compare to Carson at all

    I think people are leaping to strange conclusions after jalen hurts. Youíd have to give the eagles the largest haul ever recorded for wentz. Like 4-5 1st round picks, 2nd round picks, 3rd round picks

    Heís an elite QB talent entering his prime with unique gifts

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    Eagles Offseason Thread

    Itís coming from the fact that even though heís all those things you mentioned, the Eagles still drafted a QB in the 2nd round.


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    I mean the patriots drafted Garoppolo in the 2nd and Tom Brady still started what? 6 seasons after that including 4 Super Bowl appearances

    And yes Brady was older. Point Iím making is I donít buy this is a wentz thing yet

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    Quote Originally Posted by last stand View Post
    I mean the patriots drafted Garoppolo in the 2nd and Tom Brady still started what? 6 seasons after that including 4 Super Bowl appearances

    And yes Brady was older. Point Iím making is I donít buy this is a wentz thing yet
    Yeah but you have to talk about age. Tom Brady was 37 at the beginning of that season. Carson wentz will be 27 at the beginning of this season. Huge difference.

    I think the eagles might be nervous that wentz will turn into another Andrew luck situation. Hell, maybe wentz even mentioned something to the eagles front office that we donít know about:

    ďhey guys, Iím gonna be a father now and as much as I love playing football, cherishing the memories that I spend with my family is far more important to me. I canít risk my body too much anymore if I keep getting hurt.Ē

    Especially with the concussion he got. Most people donít realize how serious a concussion can be.. Yeah he snapped his knee in half but that can heal, a brain injury might not necessarily heal.

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    I also think itís possible that the eagles will hold Carson wentz out for precautionary reasons more than before and start jalen hurts. Like for example, in 2018 he played most of the season on a broken back that the eagles probably knew about (back injury was on injury report since like week 6 or something). If something like that happens again I think the eagles would hold him out sooner than they did and let him rest and have hurts come in and play. Or if he gets a concussion and can normally play the next week, they might hold him out an additional week just to be safe etc.

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    NFL schedule will be release next week. Can't wait.

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    Do you guys think Watson is better then Wentz? I'm a Wentz supporter but IF I have to choose one today give me Deshaun Watson.

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