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  1. #16
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    Quote Originally Posted by mookiewilson View Post
    He'll be wearing khakis.
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    I don't get why people are mad about this trade. For starters he is more likely to replace Lagares than be our starting CF. And even if he is supposed to be our starting CF, well he started 120 games for the Astros last year and started a lot in the playoffs and look how good they are. He's a capable starter as long as you supplement him with better bats, and he is a good defensive CF which is valuable to a team that was probably the worst defensive team last year.

    Again, at the end of the day we have McNeil, Nimmo, Conforto as our starting OF so he likely will only replace Lagares. And if not, then we likely will be trading Nimmo and improving another area of our team. I can't hate this move because we are getting a good glove for CF and we haven't had that in ages.

    And he's a definite upgrade over Lagares. Also we gave up guys who probably would've needed spots on the 40 man roster anyways

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    Quote Originally Posted by bklynny67 View Post
    They acquired someone that actually has positive defensive metrics as a good center fielder and gave up next to nothing.

    Stop ya *****in
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    Quote Originally Posted by kyubi256 View Post
    I don't get why people are mad about this trade. For starters he is more likely to replace Lagares than be our starting CF. And even if he is supposed to be our starting CF, well he started 120 games for the Astros last year and started a lot in the playoffs and look how good they are. He's a capable starter as long as you supplement him with better bats, and he is a good defensive CF which is valuable to a team that was probably the worst defensive team last year.

    Again, at the end of the day we have McNeil, Nimmo, Conforto as our starting OF so he likely will only replace Lagares. And if not, then we likely will be trading Nimmo and improving another area of our team. I can't hate this move because we are getting a good glove for CF and we haven't had that in ages.

    And he's a definite upgrade over Lagares. Also we gave up guys who probably would've needed spots on the 40 man roster anyways

    Im fine with the move. Like i said its good we didn't give up good prospects for a change lol. I guess im just upset at the situation. Yes im excited for the future knowing this terrible ownership has a foot out the door but this offseason still hurts. Until Cohen's cash starts coming we are stuck pinching pennies while three other teams continue improving and right now are better than us. Whatever you think about the Wheeler contract we still have a decent sized hole in our rotation, out bullpen is awful, and even though I like Beltran we have no idea how good of a manger he is or he if will have any real say. So yeah the move is fine for what it is a decent depth move for defensive purposes but it still sucks that we probably aren't doing much else this offseason, at least significant

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    I guess I don't really mind having someone like this on the roster, but to me this move indicates we're just gonna stick Nimmo/Conforto in CF again and use Marisnick late in games for defense. If we had the intention of getting a true, all-around, everyday CF, we wouldn't have wasted a precious $3M on some "defensive specialist."
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    He is not goin to just be a defensive replacement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sick Of It All View Post
    He is not goin to just be a defensive replacement.
    That still makes this acquisition problematic, just in a different way.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SJ5382 View Post
    That still makes this acquisition problematic, just in a different way.
    Your thoughts on the new ownership?

    Come back and post more .

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    Quote Originally Posted by SJ5382 View Post
    I guess I don't really mind having someone like this on the roster, but to me this move indicates we're just gonna stick Nimmo/Conforto in CF again and use Marisnick late in games for defense. If we had the intention of getting a true, all-around, everyday CF, we wouldn't have wasted a precious $3M on some "defensive specialist."
    Jeez. All of the old posters are coming out of the woodworks.


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    Quote Originally Posted by metswon69 View Post
    Your thoughts on the new ownership?

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    Cautiously optimistic. Will be over the moon once we make our first legitimite signing. Sad thing is, if it doesn't happen this offseason, it probably means it won't happen until 2024. If ever...

    Great to see the same old cast of characters around these parts! Now only if we could unban Drucifer and bbsmets...
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    Quote Originally Posted by bklynny67 View Post
    They acquired someone that actually has positive defensive metrics as a good center fielder and gave up next to nothing.

    Stop ya *****in
    He's nothing more than a late inning defensive CF.

    So far, we're K-Mart shopping.
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    Well done Brodie. Marisnick was definitely on my radar, but I didn’t think the Astros would deal him for such a weak package. Basically got him for nothing.

    Marisnick was exactly what the Mets needed in the outfield last season. A very good defender with some RH pop. No he’s not a great hitter, but he’s a good part-time player who won’t kill you if he’s pressed into everyday duties due to injury. He improves the team speed and defense which has been dreadful.

    Marisnick 2019: 86 wRC+, 1.1 WAR in 318 PA
    Lagares 2019: 60 wRC+, -0.8 WAR in 285 PA

    Marisnick was a 2 win improvement over Lagares and that could’ve been the difference between being in the playoffs or not. These small upgrades definitely add up so I’m hoping Brodie can address backup catcher now so we can move on from Nido and play Ramos less so maybe he can produce more.

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    Yeah, small improvements sometimes make a big difference.

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    Meh not in love with it. He's basically along the lines of a Keon Broxton and Juan Lagares type in terms of offensive production. Yeah Lagares and Broxton haven't hit more recently but I'm not moved by it either way. He's a decent defensive replacement and okay bench depth.

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    Sometimes the biggest addition is subtraction.

    Stuna as usual put it nicely, Marisnick’s two win improvement over Lagares could very well be the difference between making or not making the playoffs.

    Hech, Tejada, TDA, Altherr, Broxton, Nido, Lagares and Gomez amounted to -3 wins all together. On the pitching side, Gagnon, Bashlor, Font, Peterson, Lockett, Oswalt, Avilan, and Flexen combined for another -3 wins. That’s not even everybody lol.

    Mets can manage to get replacement level or even slightly below replacement level players (ie guys with a .5 war) they can add another 7-8 wins to the roster without doing anything drastic.

    The team was way too top heavy and fell out at the bottom. The top 18-20 guys on the roster are real good but the bottom 5-7 guys are just complete ****.

    Add a few bullpen pieces and a starter and go fight.


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