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    Quote Originally Posted by mookiewilson View Post
    He fell for one of the three classic blunders. The first being never get involved in a land war in Asia but only slightly lesser known: never go into business with the Wilpons.

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    Interesting. According to this Cohen's big investment will be in analytics, a system designed to get the most by paying the least.

    That's so Hedgfundy of him!

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanofclendennon View Post
    Interesting. According to this Cohen's big investment will be in analytics, a system designed to get the most by paying the least.

    That's so Hedgfundy of him!
    I don’t think it’s design to getting the most by paying the least, but to get the right players.

    If the analytics suggest a guy that Realmuto is the best at his position I am sure they will try to sign him.

    But if you read the article their has been a couple of GM’s that rely on analytics like in Philly and the Angels and spend big and have sucked.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sick Of It All View Post
    I don’t think it’s design to getting the most by paying the least, but to get the right players.

    If the analytics suggest a guy that Realmuto is the best at his position I am sure they will try to sign him.

    But if you read the article their has been a couple of GM’s that rely on analytics like in Philly and the Angels and spend big and have sucked.
    It's the old argument of relying on the numbers and the algorithms instead of hearing the scouts talk about the players' ugly girlfriends. Maybe both or neither are completely right or wrong. Funny but if you go back and watch Moneyball, the scouts warn Billy about signing Jeremy Giambi because of his partying tendencies. But Billy insists because "he gets on base."

    So what happens in the movie's turning point? Billy trades the disruptive Giambi and the A's go on a tear. In other words, the scouts were right even though Jeremy "got on base."

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanofclendennon View Post
    It's the old argument of relying on the numbers and the algorithms instead of hearing the scouts talk about the players' ugly girlfriends. Maybe both or neither are completely right or wrong. Funny but if you go back and watch Moneyball, the scouts warn Billy about signing Jeremy Giambi because of his partying tendencies. But Billy insists because "he gets on base."

    So what happens in the movie's turning point? Billy trades the disruptive Giambi and the A's go on a tear. In other words, the scouts were right even though Jeremy "got on base."
    Yeah, you have to find a balance but it seems the Mets analytics department have long been underdeveloped and underfunded and they HAVE to add to it.

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    Analytics are about increasing a players value to the team. Doesn’t matter if you’re the pinch runner in the 9th or the 2 time CY Young award winner, it tries to put you in a better position to succeed

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    Quote Originally Posted by fanofclendennon View Post
    It's the old argument of relying on the numbers and the algorithms instead of hearing the scouts talk about the players' ugly girlfriends. Maybe both or neither are completely right or wrong. Funny but if you go back and watch Moneyball, the scouts warn Billy about signing Jeremy Giambi because of his partying tendencies. But Billy insists because "he gets on base."

    So what happens in the movie's turning point? Billy trades the disruptive Giambi and the A's go on a tear. In other words, the scouts were right even though Jeremy "got on base."
    There were two other players in that equation, Old man Justice and Scott Hattenberg. Plus Billy signed a pitcher who threw funny.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry M View Post
    Analytics are about increasing a players value to the team. Doesn’t matter if you’re the pinch runner in the 9th or the 2 time CY Young award winner, it tries to put you in a better position to succeed
    Analytics is such a broad term. Every GM and FO incorporate analytics in some capacity, but it depends on what analytics they really value.

    For instance, Sandy valued analytics in the sense that he believed in stacking three true outcome players and relying heavily on OBP/ignoring defense.

    There are so many different analytical concepts like spin rate, % of barreled balls, exit velocity, launch angle, sprint speed, defensive runs saved, outs above average, etc.

    Every team is likely going to fixate on at least one of those concepts or at least rank them to where they would hypothetically value say exit velocity more than launch angle or view offensive analytics as more valuable than defensive, and so on. The Astros are known for spin rate, the Twins for launch angle, and so on. It’s also about incorporating analytics to the players that would benefit from it...You don’t want to preach launch angle to a team full of Luis Castillo’s and Dernard Span’s, if you get what I’m saying.

    Analytics are great and super important but it’s equally important to implement it properly and to utilize it in such a way where players are more likely to succeed. You’re right that it’s about putting players in the best position to succeed but, the position to succeed is different on each team. The old adage of ‘a player leaves my team and has success’ could be attributed to those players being introduced to new analytics/mechanics that they wouldn’t have otherwise had on their previous team.

    Having a GM who specializes in player development/scouting along with the resources for analytics is a recipe for success imo.

    Sorry for rambling a bit lol.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Larry M View Post
    Analytics are about increasing a players value to the team. Doesn’t matter if you’re the pinch runner in the 9th or the 2 time CY Young award winner, it tries to put you in a better position to succeed
    Theoretically. But ultimately it's about making decisions and choosing the sources and the data on which to base those decisions. And this conversation is about whether Cohen should choose between spending a boatload of money on the best available talent versus spending on the data that will find the overlooked players who the team needs more than the so-called best available.

    As for me, I'm good just trying to find the best available burger or steak joint during the off season. But that's just me.

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    Cohen buying the Mets (Post # 134, Team to be put up for auction)


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    He'll get the votes. Because of the dire economic situation and uncertainty about fans for next year, I bet the owners resisting are more concerned about him pushing up salaries than ethics.

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    It’s New York City.

    While MLB owners are scheduled to vote Nov. 17 on whether to approve Cohen at their owners’ meetings in Dallas, New York City Mayor Bill de Blasio could torpedo Cohen’s plans before it even reaches a vote.

    The 2006 Stadium Lease Agreement between the New York City Industrial Development Agency and Queens Ballpark Company provides the city consent rights to deny the Mets and their stadium be transferred to a person who has committed a felony.

    Cohen was never charged with a crime, but in 2013 his former hedge-fund company, S.A.C. Capital Investors, pleaded guilty to securities fraud and wire fraud. The company agreed to pay $1.8 billion in fines in one of the largest criminal cases against a hedge fund. Cohen, in a civil suit with the U.S. Securities and Exchange Commission, was prohibited from managing outside money for two years.

    In the stadium lease agreement, Cohen is technically classified as a “prohibited person,’’ which the agreement defines as “any person that has been convicted in a criminal proceeding for a felony or any crime involving moral turpitude.’’

    Mayor de Blasio and his office, under section 17.01 of the lease agreement, have the legal right to determine whether to approve the sale. The New York City Mayor’s office has a 30-day window, which was triggered last week, to complete their vetting process.

    “The Mayor has an obligation to the people of New York City,’’ press secretary Bill Neidhardt told USA TODAY Sports, “to closely examine new leases on culturally important and incredibly valuable city-owned land.’’

    If de Blasio rejects or even delays the $2.475 billion sale, the Mets’ ownership led by Fred Wilpon, would have to decide whether to simply wait, or re-open the bidding process.

    The MLB ownership committee voted 7-1 on Tuesday to recommend the approval of Cohen to the Executive Council, which will then make its recommendation to the 30 clubs. Cohen must receive 23 of the 30 votes by clubs to be approved.

    If Cohen’s purchase gets held up with de Blasio, it could cause further consternation among MLB owners, with several already planning to vote against his approval.

    MLB owners are scheduled to make the official decision in three weeks whether to welcome Cohen into their fraternity, but if New York City rejects the Cohen sale, the call will be made for them.

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    Uh ohh!

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    Why is this just coming up now? Nothing about this is new.

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