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    are the same people triggered that someone would say that Trump was better than Lincoln, also going to have the same opinion to those that have said Obama was better than George Washington?

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...tter-president

    Poll: Majority of Democrats thinks Obama was better president than Washington
    A majority of Democratic voters said former President Obama was a better leader than founding father and first president of the U.S. George Washington in a new poll.

    The poll, conducted by Monmouth University, found that 63 percent of Democratic survey respondents believed that Obama was a better president than Washington. Twenty-nine percent of those polled believed that Washington beat out the 44th president.

    Among all registered voters surveyed, 58 percent say Washington was a better president compared to 33 percent for Obama. Compared to Trump, Washington received 71 percent support while the president received 15 percent.

    Forty-four percent of Republican voters polled said Washington was a better president than Trump, while 37 percent said Trump is better than Washington.

    Washington beat out both modern presidents among independent voters, with 72 percent saying he is better than Trump and 62 percent saying he is better than Obama.

    Patrick Murray, director of the independent Monmouth University Polling Institute, admitted that there could be “a combination of factors at work when you ask a question like this.”

    “Democrats may be more likely than Republicans to be influenced by recency bias, valuing what they are familiar with over historical opinion,” Murray said. “It’s a fun question to ask, but I’m not sure what it means.”

    The question was “inspired” by a recent Economist/YouGov Poll that asked voters whether Trump or Abraham Lincoln was a better “Republican president,” according to the poll. That poll found that 53 percent of Republicans said Trump was a better president than Lincoln, while 47 percent chose the Civil War-era leader.

    The poll found that Trump currently has a personal rating of 46 percent favorable and 52 percent unfavorable among registered voters.

    The Monmouth University Poll was conducted over the phone from Dec. 4 to Dec. 8. It polled 903 U.S. adults in total, with its results based on 838 registered voters. It has a +/- 3.4 margin of error.
    Quote Originally Posted by GGGGG-Men View Post
    Either care about all of it like a decent human being or shut the **** up and stop selective outrage based on whether it serves your political purposes.

    a person is smart. people are dumb, panicky, dangerous animals.
    #TrumpDerangementSyndrome
    the anti-Trump movement seems to be getting dumber

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    I'm not saying it impossible to compare presidents, its very possible. I'm saying asking someone to rank 2 presidents against each other, one from 200 years ago, its certainly understandable for someone to say they dont have an opinion on it.

    This all started cuz some guys were asking fnk who is better between Lincoln and trump, and he said he doesnt know. That's an extremely fair answer, but people jumped all over him for it.
    Well Joey seems to have drastically misidentified your point. That being said, your point that Obama was better than Washington is still absurd.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestJimmy View Post
    I didn't say that Democrats think Obama was better than Lincoln. I said the admiration that democrats/liberals have for Obama is cult-like.
    Certainly doesn't seem that way here. What liberals are you referring to?

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    What about Franklin Roosevelt?
    A socialist

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestJimmy View Post
    I didn't say that Democrats think Obama was better than Lincoln. I said the admiration that democrats/liberals have for Obama is cult-like.
    not the progressives who kept waiting for him to stand up to the republicans instead of trying to work with them. In general, a lot of presidents in my lifetime, except Nixon, enjoyed high approval from their base, it part of the game, like building a Presidential library and being called Mr. President for the rest of their life.

    He couldn't do halves the things that Trump has done and get the cult-like admiration that he does.
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    Wrong thread.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    are the same people triggered that someone would say that Trump was better than Lincoln, also going to have the same opinion to those that have said Obama was better than George Washington?

    https://thehill.com/blogs/blog-brief...tter-president
    As I said earlier in this thread.. A lot of dipshits out there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MidwestJimmy View Post
    What about Franklin Roosevelt?
    Extremely overrated president and not that good of one anyhow.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    lol, this is what I'm saying, how many people have power rankings for presidents?? Youre acting like that's normal or everyone should have one. In saying most people dont have one,pat people wouldn't really know how to compare presidents to one another.

    No, obama was better than Washington. Washington served the elites and nothing more.

    The rest of my post means this idea that washington being general meant we should expected him to take over by force but since he didnt it shows good character, is bull ****.

    Why would tea be a symbol? Who even drank tea at that time? Why would the masses go to war for that?
    We aren’t talking about power rankings and ranking all the presidents. Obviously some of them would be too difficult for most people to judge. For instance, I know that both Tom Cruise and Brad Pitt are attractive men but I couldn’t tell you who is more attractive. I don’t have an opinion. I do know there’s a difference in attractiveness between Tom cruise and Tom Arnold. The difference between Lincoln and Washington and trump/Obama is the difference between cruise and Arnold.

    Obama was a not better president than Washington. Washington set precedents as president that are still being followed today. Washington led men in a war no one thought was winnable against the English and he obviously won. Again, the reason Obama could even become president is because of Washington.

    Why do I always feel like I’m teaching a history class on this forum? The revolutionary war was about the colonies in the “new World”/America not feeling as though the English king allowed them equal or any representation in the English govt/parliament but at the same time, the king taxes their goods as if they were Englishman. “No taxation without representation” was a phrase the colonialists often used. In the Boston tea party, the tea was just a symbol of one of the goods being taxed by England, so they destroyed the tea as a symbolic gesture of that phrase, hence starting the war.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    No, you very clearly and repeatedly expressed doubt and said he did not do what is being alleged. You questioned and dismissed the evidence saying he did. Don't pretend like you didn't try to deny that he did this, you're better than that.

    As for what Nasty is saying, from what I gather is he's saying because of eras it's impossible to compare a Washington/Lincoln/etc. to Trump/Obama/etc. While I disagree, I understand his logic. Nasty's problem, is he often says things that are in opposition to each other and says things that aren't quite what he means. Saying we can't compare Lincoln to a modern President because things are so different is not a hot take. Saying Trump is a better President than Lincoln is, however (and yes, I'm aware you never said that).
    Please show me where I expressed doubt that trump did some “quid pro quo.” I’ve in fact said it sounds exactly like something trump would do. What I have expressed doubt in this is the democrats ability to prove he did it for his own political gain. They still haven’t which is why their articles don’t represent that. Furthermore, I’ve expressed doubt in the democrats convincing 20 republicans impeachment is the right course of action. Unlike previous impeachments, this was rushed and done so to hopefully impact the 2020 election in their minds.

    Where’s the logic in not knowing wilt Chamberlain is a better basketball player than Bill Laimbeer? To me, that defeats the purpose of history.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    Yes, in a thread about how conservatives think Lincoln was a better President than Trump, how ridiculous for me to believe that a conservative would believe Lincoln is better than Trump. As for calling out a Liberal poster in this thread, point me to the Liberal in here saying Trump is a better President than Lincoln and I will indeed call them out.

    That being said, I did not catch the sarcasm, for that I apologize.
    a) yes, it was ridiculous of you

    b) who said a thing about calling out "a Liberal"? The comments Joey and I made were about your lack of introspection

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    that you believe the bold is the problem, it's not an overreaction.

    for this argument the history does not matter. the history has nothing to do with what is happening right now with both the far right and the far left.

    both white supremacy/racism and Antifa are a current problem in America. when extreme groups are attacking random people then yes they are a problem.








    what caused the bold. Liberal media/Liberal left. people believe what they are told to believe. people have been told that Trump must be comparable/worse than Hitler and gullible idiots believe it because orange man bad.
    it's stupidity and ignorance that anyone can believe the bold.
    You calling people out for stupidity and ignorance is quite rich!

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    Quote Originally Posted by joeyc77 View Post
    Again, I didn’t vote for Trump. But that doesn’t stop you from pigeon holding me. I defend against stupid allegations. I don’t believe it serves the American people.

    Yes, nasty is liberal. If not, he’s certainly something wrapped in liberal clothing. I don’t need to follow you two forums I could give two ******** about. He’s wrong here. But instead of noticing and confronting him here, you’re playing cartoon characters with me.

    Lastly, my auto correct says it’s “Step ford” and my ******* meter says IDGAF...
    Pretty much....

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    lol, this is what I'm saying, how many people have power rankings for presidents?? Youre acting like that's normal or everyone should have one. In saying most people dont have one,pat people wouldn't really know how to compare presidents to one another.

    No, obama was better than Washington. Washington served the elites and nothing more.

    The rest of my post means this idea that washington being general meant we should expected him to take over by force but since he didnt it shows good character, is bull ****.

    Why would tea be a symbol? Who even drank tea at that time? Why would the masses go to war for that?
    Oh my.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    Nevermind Joey. I take it back. This is insanity. If it's possible to compare Washington to Obama, Washington was the far superior President.

    As for your questions on tea, it's like you have no idea about that event at all. Like, are you seriously asking why they dumped tea into the harbor?
    He's great at getting knee deep in to conversations he is completely ignorant about and then pretending like he's some sort of authority on the topic at hand.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    I'm not saying it impossible to compare presidents, its very possible. I'm saying asking someone to rank 2 presidents against each other, one from 200 years ago, its certainly understandable for someone to say they dont have an opinion on it.

    This all started cuz some guys were asking fnk who is better between Lincoln and trump, and he said he doesnt know. That's an extremely fair answer, but people jumped all over him for it.
    Nah, both you and FNK have had the most laughable approach to this conversation imaginable.

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