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  1. #736
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    John Hightower who we got in the 5th or 6th or whatever is the same as Mims drafted round 2. Facts

    Disagree.

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    It looks like the Eagles FINALLY got some weapons at wide receiver for Wentz. IF they can catch the ball (which Agholor couldn't), along with their tight ends and running backs, this SHOULD be an amazing, somewhat unstoppable offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by John S View Post
    It looks like the Eagles FINALLY got some weapons at wide receiver for Wentz. IF they can catch the ball (which Agholor couldn't), along with their tight ends and running backs, this SHOULD be an amazing, somewhat unstoppable offense.
    3 WRs this year and 1 via trade. Stunt on the haters. Lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Young$avage View Post
    3 WRs this year and 1 via trade. Stunt on the haters. Lol.
    If they need to draft more wide receivers next year because the ones that he got this year are incompetent, then Howie DOES need to be fired.
    YES - I'm FINALLY happy that they got WR weapons for Wentz - and the haters can kiss my *** (behind).

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    Just for the record - ANOTHER year went by when they did NOT draft a guard, center, running back, tight end, linebacker, safety, or kicker in the 1st round.
    MAYBE one day, people will stop thinking that they will.

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    Hopefully one of the later ones pans out and then we can maximize Goodwin's talents and we'll have 3 additional weapons. Like what was said earlier hopefully we got quality and not just quantity

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    Quote Originally Posted by John S View Post
    Just for the record - ANOTHER year went by when they did NOT draft a guard, center, running back, tight end, linebacker, safety, or kicker in the 1st round.
    MAYBE one day, people will stop thinking that they will.
    No one said theyíd have drafted any of those positions in the first round this year... I mean maybe a LB because good ones were there at 21. This is the wrong year to toot your own horn when basically every wanted a WR in the first.


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    Quote Originally Posted by John S View Post
    If they need to draft more wide receivers next year because the ones that he got this year are incompetent, then Howie DOES need to be fired.
    YES - I'm FINALLY happy that they got WR weapons for Wentz - and the haters can kiss my *** (behind).
    Gotta love John S and his revisionist history.

    Follow the time line, chief.

    Itís like we have to keep explaining to you what was actually happening.

    Going into last draft was the first year since Wentz that the Eagles shouldíve rated WR high and picked one. Not the last 3 years or whatever youíve been clamoring about.

    Queue the ďIím not going to post in awhile because everyone is a big meany and I donít understand contextĒ post.


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    The only positions Iím left a bit concerned about post draft is RB and LB. RB we signed some practice squad guys and tbh weíve had luck in that area the past 3 seasons.

    Obviously sanders and Boston Scott are worthy. And Iím sure they wanna give Elijah Holyfield a swing but Iím not 100% sold on everyone behind sanders yet, including Boston Scott

    And at LB. thereís just not a ton there. Thereís speed which is better than slow. But as of right now itís just a ton of guys that are unproven even at the starter level except for maybe Gerry who was solid last season

    Other than that though, the eagles are finally a deep team again. They are no longer top heavy. WR is riddled with specialists, and some top heavy talent. Alshon, DeSean, reagor, Goodwin is a good group if healthy. I think the eagles like the idea of keeping Alshon and DeSean this season but I think they clearly have concerns about their health so having guys like reagor, JJAW, Hightower and Watkins insures that if some of those guys get hurt at least they wonít be totally empty and slow. Theyíll at least have speed

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    Quote Originally Posted by koldjerky View Post
    Gotta love John S and his revisionist history.

    Follow the time line, chief.

    Itís like we have to keep explaining to you what was actually happening.

    Going into last draft was the first year since Wentz that the Eagles shouldíve rated WR high and picked one. Not the last 3 years or whatever youíve been clamoring about.

    Queue the ďIím not going to post in awhile because everyone is a big meany and I donít understand contextĒ post.


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    YES - It was 3 years. I can't help it that you're an ignorant clown.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Eagles4Lyfe View Post
    This is not even the plan at all. You have to really think complex to understand the Hurts pick. People are to nearsighted and still caught up in the past. Going forward the NFL is changing in many ways and this is Howie and Co thinking longterm. Like I said earlier were always in good cap condition because these guys always think 10 steps ahead.
    The league isn't changing like this, however. The Eagles may have taken Jalen Hurts in the 2nd round, and maybe it's visionary, but let's be very clear; there's no evidence anyone else in the league is thinking like this. As I said, they're either "the smartest person in the room, or got way too cute". Teams are definitely putting more stock into the backup QB position, but I have never seen a team act this way through the draft. The Eagles are either 2 steps ahead, or completely over valued the backup QB draft strategy.

    We have seen plenty of teams try "new" things that have completely, and utterly failed.

    First things first, we have a backup QB now for 5 years now who will be developed into a potential franchise like QB one day. Were paying a lot of money to the elite talent and for us to keep this team in tact we have to add longterm options at positions very cheap..
    1. We do not have Jalen Hurts for 5 years. Jalen Hurts will sign a four year contract as a 2nd round selection. He does not get the one year option afforded to a 1st round pick.

    2. Jalen Hurts the "franchise QB" sounds like a very long shot. He's raw from a throwing perspective, and this is not a home run prospect. He looked lost at times at Alabama and while he was fantastic last year, he was in an extremely QB friendly Big10 environment and team. I think there's a ton of work to be done there, and while the Eagles have done a nice job with Carson Wentz, it's hard to suggest what else they've done well with QB wise. Foles? He showed promise before, and I think the jury is out on how much they did there. Sudfeld? Thorson? They're whatevers. I think the Eagles have a chance to develop him into a franchise QB. Sure. But we have one already, and the hope should be we never see Hurts on the field.

    I think Jalen Hurts the "alright starting QB" could be a real thing. And someone will pay up for that if it happens. But I don't necessarily see franchise QB in Hurts right now.

    Second and the biggest thing people seem to be forgetting is. After this coming season, there's going to be an extra game or two added now because only the top seeds get a bye. So if the Eagles lock down say the 2nd seed by week 15, we can afford to rest Wentz and not have to rely on risking him for anything. You'll also create scenarios like both QBs on the field not as a gadget play necessarily but to throw the ball. Hurts will get more snaps than ppl think.
    If the Eagles lock down a by week, I truly don't care who's on the field. Having Hurts then won't really matter much.

    Lastly I think the proof is in the pudding, when was the next QB takdn after Hurts? 5th round? That's a whole 3 rounds for QBs 5 6 to go of the board and there is a reason for that. Were not trying to draft a Clayton Thorson each year hoping they turn into something when they have no above average traits. You get QBs with franchise traits mainly in rounds 1 and 2. This pick harmed our draft in no way shape or form whatsoever.
    The next QB off the board was Jacob Eason in the 4th round, not the 5th. James Morgan also went off in the 4th. Both Eason and Morgan offer developmental QB potential. Both have arms and enough athleticism to where if you develop these guys, you could get a starting QB out of them. Jalen Hurts was not the only developmental QB in this draft. He does offer gadget play potential, maybe, but we have no idea what his hands are like as a WR, how his route running is, or how much of an impact he'd ever have. Taysom Hill sometimes doesn't even make a contribution.

    When it comes down to it, using a 2nd rounder on a developmental QB seems like bad form. There were other developmental QB's, and if the Eagles are master QB-developers, they have enough arm talent/athleticism to fix them. There were better fits for the Eagles needs. You could have traded up to get Lamb if you're a Lamb guy. You could have still gone with Wallace in the 4th and moved up to get a QB. Or traded back from 3rd. And still probably ended up with Taylor in the fourth (many thought he was a 5th or 6th round selection).

    The "best case scenario" here is that if Wentz goes down...Hurts makes the team as good as Wentz would. The best case scenario for another 2nd rounder is that the team gets better when Wentz is healthy. I'd rather have the second than the first, myself.

    I can't even say I "hope I'm wrong" here because being wrong almost assuredly means Wentz is hurt, and that's just not a good thing. Maybe Hurts ends up a franchise QB. But I think the Eagles drafted a raw QB, got too cute about backup QB's, and will probably end up regretting this pick. Doing something new doesn't always result in a good idea.
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    Also judging by Roseman and Pedersons comments it seems they fully intend Greg Ward remaining a part of the rotation which is a bit surprising. They both singled him out as a integral part of the receiving Corp which is strange

    Alshon
    DeSean
    Marquise
    Jalen
    JJAW
    Ward
    Watkins
    Hightower

    So I feel as though theyíre going to keep 7 WRs after they were decimated last season and obviously Watkins and Hightower arenít guarantees to make the roster just like thorson and other draft picks through the years. Also to some extent Goodwin isnít a guarantee either unless heís healthy

    But it is very interesting

    I honestly think Alshon Jeffrey is absolutely going to be placed on the PUP list or IR list whichever one is the one where the players can come back week 6 or whatever. Thatíd be my guess as of now

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    It really is unfortunate that jalen hurts is going to be the focus of what otherwise was a great draft

    I donít think itís a bad move. I get it. The eagles like the patriots and saints believe backup QBs are incredibly valuable. Jimmy Johnson said the QB was the most valuable player on the team, the second most valuable player was the backup QB

    I get the feelings of we couldíve gotten a more immediate impact guy. Hell I wouldíve preferred jk dobbins or Logan Wilson to hurts

    But I get the philosophy. Wentz gets hurt, and he may not get hurt this year but he may next year and vice versa. Gives you a guy with potential, mobility you can plug in there. They can develop him and flip him for big assets. The eagles donít exactly have a bad track record with developing QBs. Theyíre league respected in that category

    Yes they couldíve gotten more immediate impact at 53, yes they couldíve traded up for ceedee lamb. But they had a clear vision and they enacted it. The team is significantly faster, more talented and strong up front on both sides of the ball.

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    I believe 1908 a lot more than I believe any of the Hurts pick supporters on this one. Hurts in the 2nd round is going to be a huge regret for this team. There were other options that could have been had at a more desirable price. Fromm in the 5th, Eason in the 4th both provide good development opportunities and allows us to draft a player that can help.

    Best case scenario for the Eagles is Hurts plays a handful of snaps a game as a gadget player, or that the Eagles are so good that they can afford to sit Wentz. With expansion to 7 teams only 1 team will secure a bye and I do not believe this is the best team in the conference. I do not believe in a scenario where that happens, I think the NFC is very strong and there are teams that got better as well. The QB is not going to develop very well if he's not provided an opportunity to play, and the preseason is not good enough by itself for a QB to develop.

    QBs like Kevin Kolb, Nate Sudfeld, Clayton Thorson (granted we didn't really offer much a shot), and Matt Barkley haven't panned out is none of them really played any significant snaps in order to develop. Reason QBs like Wentz, McNabb, Foles etc. worked out is they played meaningful football and had a chance to play and learn and adapt to top level competition. For that to happen either you have to be so good/bad that you can afford to spot start the backup, or our $132 million investment needs to be injured. I do not like the value of spending a premium pick in a strong draft class for this.
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    If the eagles wanted a qb why would you draft a lesser prospect? Itís fine if you donít think the eagles needed a qb or that they took him too early. But if the eagles wanted a QB to backup wentz why would they just draft someone low on their board

    Thatís another thing, everyone talks from this position of their board or whatever. But no one stops and thinks what the eagles board looked like. Also none of those guys mentioned have half hurts mobility or big game experience

    Yes thereís players I would have rather had than hurts. I donít hide that. Hurts wasnít my pick at 53. But I also know that backup QB is the reason we have a Super Bowl. And that our QB while not someone Iíd label as injury prone I would say he tends to get injured. And Iíd rather have a backup QB with a unique skill set who can still pass as opposed to a qb that will never be as good a passer as wentz stepping in. At least with hurts we can use his legs and RPO to make up for losing our franchise QB. And Iím not a fan of gadget packages but this isnít basketball. Itís football. 1 play can change a game for the better or worse. And if jalen hurts gets a first down, throws a 40 yard pass, gets a touchdown running or passing, is used in the redzone to get a score

    That can change the entire course of a game. Football is a game of inches and plays

    Yes it can go wrong. But to assume that the eagles drafted someone like hurts as though it were a reckless decision is absurd to me. It may very well fail and fall flat. But fans are treating this as though they just got gun crazy

    Iím not pretending to love the pick or that I wanted it at 53. I did want hurts but Iím the 3rd or 4th. I wouldíve preferred Logan Wilson or jk dobbins at 53 because I think both would have much more impact. But I know the eagles value QB big time, 2 deep at minimum. I know they wanted thorson to be the guy and he flopped. Itís not shocking they went with a higher touted prospect this year when they clearly wanted one

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