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  1. #916
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    Quote Originally Posted by ecart View Post
    lol what. every team was doubling jokic and gambling on his teammates. the **** u want jokic to do shoot fadeaway 3s with 3 ppl on him like kobe.
    He does sometimes and he hits them. The difference is you can triple team him because he isnít going to find a hole for an easy layup. Thatís how you defend talented bigs, and itís effective.

    You should really go back and rewatch the games though dude. Murray was on fire.
    Jamal Murray averaged 26.5 points, 6.6 assists and 4.8 rebounds in 19 games in the 2020 playoffs, including X2 50 point games and X2 40 point games.

    Iím not saying jokic was a slouch, just that they donít get nearly as far without Murray. He was unguardable

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    I am so damn curious about what the offer is to Lowry. I can see justification for offering him 2 years for a little less than FVV is getting.

    Word on the streets is everything is lined up. If Lowry accepts our offer then he stays, if he declines then he goes and signs an extension wherever he lands. Craziness, but Iím glad they are giving him the choice. Hope he declines lol.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChongInc. View Post
    I am so damn curious about what the offer is to Lowry. I can see justification for offering him 2 years for a little less than FVV is getting.

    Word on the streets is everything is lined up. If Lowry accepts our offer then he stays, if he declines then he goes and signs an extension wherever he lands. Craziness, but Iím glad they are giving him the choice. Hope he declines lol.
    I'm glad they're giving him the choice, contingent on him making the choice now instead of waiting until the offseason. It guarantees we either enter next season with Lowry, or we enter it with picks and a prospect. But not with nothing.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChongInc. View Post
    He does sometimes and he hits them. The difference is you can triple team him because he isnít going to find a hole for an easy layup. Thatís how you defend talented bigs, and itís effective.

    You should really go back and rewatch the games though dude. Murray was on fire.
    Jamal Murray averaged 26.5 points, 6.6 assists and 4.8 rebounds in 19 games in the 2020 playoffs, including X2 50 point games and X2 40 point games.

    Iím not saying jokic was a slouch, just that they donít get nearly as far without Murray. He was unguardable
    You're just looking at the boxscore. Murray had his moments but you're seriously undervaluing Jokic's gravity. Jokic was just toying with people. Against the Clippers, Jokic was basically trolling. Gobert looked like he just got called up from a two-way.

    Jokic isn't just any big. This is the wrong way of looking at him. His passing ability is generational. You can triple team Embiid and ***** gonna be a turnover. With Jokic he's just going to make you look foolish. You can defend Embiid, KAT, Davis etc like this. You legit can't defend Jokic like this. That's what Malone realized and why Jokic blew up this year.

    You're penalizing him, the same way that Lebron gets penalized, just because they try to make the right play and share the glory instead of being selfish and forcing up shots for their ego.
    Last edited by ecart; 03-23-2021 at 03:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saint Raptor View Post
    Brian Windhorst is reporting that the Raptors are essentially negotiating a new contract with Kyle and if they can come to agreement, then he stays but if they cannot, then he'll get traded. Exactly what they should do. No rolling the dice in free agency.
    So Eric Koreen is saying that raptors can't officially work on an extension with Lowry during the season. Apparently they aren't allowed to talk #s?

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    Also more reason why I wouldn't mind Siakam dealt.

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article...e-words-nurse/

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChongInc. View Post
    Vic+Gordon are not on Katís level though. Personally I would have to think about adding either C because itís just hard to win with a #1 option big. Like last playoffs it was Murray who was able to carry Denver, not jokic.

    Id say we are definitely worse off with Gordon and Vuc vs siakam and OG though.
    Vuc is much better than Siakam

    Heard on 1050 lewenberg talking about some turmoil between Siakam and Nurse. Apparently the first sign of that was when Siakam fouled out and left the court and walked out which he got fined for, and then there was a rumoured rift between them last night after the game. The benching at the end of a couple games also has something to do with it. Iím not sure whatís going on there but if the josh is right, then thereís def smoke where there is fire.
    Last edited by smith&wesson; 03-23-2021 at 06:11 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaotic98 View Post
    Also more reason why I wouldn't mind Siakam dealt.

    https://www.sportsnet.ca/nba/article...e-words-nurse/
    They lost 9 games now. Ill let it slide

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raps18-19 Champ View Post
    They lost 9 games now. Ill let it slide
    Ahhh this is year one of him making big money and heís already had a couples incidents this year.

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    First time he was reprimanded it wasnít after a 9 game losing streak. Might be more we donít know about.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Chaotic98 View Post
    First time he was reprimanded it wasnít after a 9 game losing streak. Might be more we donít know about.
    Yeah thereís beef lol

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    I think hes just an emotional and reactionary guy and raps keep everything under raps (lol) so media ppl speculate and create necessary drama for clickbait. I don't expect these guys to emotionless robots. I think he's just venting. I remember when Kawhi was just chilling and people read into every little thing he did.

    But since we're on the subject, ex-Raps assistant Nate Bjorken struggling with the locker room as well.
    Last edited by ecart; 03-23-2021 at 10:08 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChongInc. View Post
    He does sometimes and he hits them. The difference is you can triple team him because he isnít going to find a hole for an easy layup. Thatís how you defend talented bigs, and itís effective.

    You should really go back and rewatch the games though dude. Murray was on fire.
    Jamal Murray averaged 26.5 points, 6.6 assists and 4.8 rebounds in 19 games in the 2020 playoffs, including X2 50 point games and X2 40 point games.

    Iím not saying jokic was a slouch, just that they donít get nearly as far without Murray. He was unguardable
    Murray is half the player Jokic is. He wouldnít be able to do anything he did in the bubble with out Jokic bro. Take a quick look at Jokicí numbers this year. Youíre talking about two players in two different stratosphereís

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    I would love to see something around Powell for Bol Bol.

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    A lot of coaches and analysts have talked about this. Jokic's game is so unique, people don't know how to guard him. Modern NBA defences exploit a modern NBA big's limited utility on offence. Unless the big can stretch the floor or create for others, their primary usage is to set screens and roll to the basket.

    So if you have a traditional big on the floor, defences are constantly forcing the ball into their hands because a) they suck at making decisions and b) they're usually not a threat from the outside. This acts as an escape valve, where defences can catch a break and essentially reset if they can force the ball back to the big. This is because the big will either have to make a pass outside of their comfort zone or they'll waste time off the clock to attempt a dribble hand off.

    So to counter this, you need to have a big that can stretch the floor or pass the ball. If it is a stretch big, you can't go with your previous gameplan anymore. If you force them to swing back to the big, it's usually an open shot because your own big won't be able to rotate in time. So you go smaller, switch everything, overplay the shot, force them to put the ball on the floor/pass and hope your help rotates in time. If the guy is a passer, you overplay the pass and pressure them to create.

    So what do you do when their big can do everything? If you put a big on Jokic, he'll just eat you alive from the perimeter because traditional bigs suck at defending the perimeter. If you put a small on Jokic to counter this, ***** just bbq chicken for him. If you send help, Jokic is too good of a passer, he'll just find the open shot. If you over play him, he'll punish you.

    Yes, Murray got extremely hot and made some ridiculous shots, but look at how much space he gets when Jokic sets screens for him. No one wants Jokic to roll away or towards the basket, plus you have to worry about Murray coming off of a screen. So unless you have two defenders with good bball iq, you basically have one if not both defenders in no man's land.

    Jokic's game isn't as paradigm shifting as Curry's but it is pretty damn close.

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