Rumor Mill/ Trade Ideas Thread

[smith&wesson]

It's not just because he's not a modern big. He's just poop period.

Drummond's contract is pretty fat so that's not exactly true either.

I think maybe you misunderstood. I said he won’t sniff another contract like the one he is on. Reason being is because the league has changed since he got that contract. The premium for traditional bigs is not that high.

I don’t think he is poop. I think he is decent, but also much better than anything we have in place at his position. Leading rebounder in the league is not poop. Baynes is poop lol Drummond is not great but he would certainly be an upgrade where we need it most.

Matching salaries is a problem other wise I think we would have done a deal by now. It might prove to be to big of a problem because 28 million is a lot to match. If we’re trading guys like Baynes, MCCaw, Johnson, I wouldn’t blink. The only piece I’d have a hard time saying bye to is Powell and that’s because weve seen the kid develop in to a pretty good player. But he’s also expiring so it’s not like that would be a deal breaker.

[bartron_44]

NOTE: I don't think the players want Drummond on this team......Pascal retweeted a post that basically said you aren't giving up any of your top 7 guys for Drummond, so good luck making that deal....lol


I wonder if we could convince ATL to trade us John Collins ? That is the premium target that is somewhat available right now...and if all they want is picks, I think they should make that happen. He is an RFA with Bird Rights, so they could match any offer and go over the cap to retain him. Unlike Drummond, if they wanted him, he couldn't walk away. Also unlike Drummond, he is a modern day "big" who can shoot over 40% from deep! On top of that, he only makes a few million so the salary is WAAAAY easier to match if the value in the return is the picks. The worst that could happen is they have to pay him more than they would like in order to do so, but they would be able to keep him.



I would like to see if the Raptors can get 5 athletic guys between 6'7 and 6'9 to play in their 5 man unit defense. Maybe not a starting 5 (since we don't have Ben Simmons) , but at some point in the game I would like them to be able to go with something like:

PG- Siakam (6'9)......30.0 3pt%
SG- OG (6'7)............43.3 3pt%
SF- Watanabe (6'9)...42.9 3pt%
PF- Boucher (6'9) ....43.2 3pt%
C- Collins (6'9)..........41.1 3pt%


So with Siakam being the creator, he wouldn't have to shoot a bunch of 3's, and he would be surrounded by shooters who can switch 1 thru 5 on defense and totally effin smother people!

They could start small each half with :

FVV
Lowry
Powell
Siakam
Collins

and then part way thru the first and 3rd quarters sit Siakam and Collins for a few minutes and go with :

FVV
Lowry
Powell
OG
Boucher

then a few minutes into the 2nd/4th quarters go to

Siakam
OG
Watanabe
Boucher
Collins


Then back to the starting lineup (or the most successful that day) to finish the last few minutes.

It would mean squeezing out Bembry, Davis, Johnson and Baynes (if they aren't part of the salary going back for Collins) and shortening the rotation down to 8 a lot of the time, but it would allow them to play all 7 of their top guys major minutes....and they all deserve them.

[ecart]

I think maybe you misunderstood. I said he won’t sniff another contract like the one he is on. Reason being is because the league has changed since he got that contract. The premium for traditional bigs is not that high.

I don’t think he is poop. I think he is decent, but also much better than anything we have in place at his position. Leading rebounder in the league is not poop. Baynes is poop lol Drummond is not great but he would certainly be an upgrade where we need it most.

Matching salaries is a problem other wise I think we would have done a deal by now. It might prove to be to big of a problem because 28 million is a lot to match. If we’re trading guys like Baynes, MCCaw, Johnson, I wouldn’t blink. The only piece I’d have a hard time saying bye to is Powell and that’s because weve seen the kid develop in to a pretty good player. But he’s also expiring so it’s not like that would be a deal breaker.

He's poop because he has a massive ego and can't stay in his own lane. He said he used to elbow his own teammates on purpose if they took his rebounds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ture=emb_title

He's not going to come in and be a Biyombo for us. Dude thinks he's Hakeem Olajuwon.
https://streamable.com/gaj2eb

[Saint Raptor]

NOTE: I don't think the players want Drummond on this team......Pascal retweeted a post that basically said you aren't giving up any of your top 7 guys for Drummond, so good luck making that deal....lol


I wonder if we could convince ATL to trade us John Collins ? That is the premium target that is somewhat available right now...and if all they want is picks, I think they should make that happen. He is an RFA with Bird Rights, so they could match any offer and go over the cap to retain him. Unlike Drummond, if they wanted him, he couldn't walk away. Also unlike Drummond, he is a modern day "big" who can shoot over 40% from deep! On top of that, he only makes a few million so the salary is WAAAAY easier to match if the value in the return is the picks. The worst that could happen is they have to pay him more than they would like in order to do so, but they would be able to keep him.



I would like to see if the Raptors can get 5 athletic guys between 6'7 and 6'9 to play in their 5 man unit defense. Maybe not a starting 5 (since we don't have Ben Simmons) , but at some point in the game I would like them to be able to go with something like:

PG- Siakam (6'9)......30.0 3pt%
SG- OG (6'7)............43.3 3pt%
SF- Watanabe (6'9)...42.9 3pt%
PF- Boucher (6'9) ....43.2 3pt%
C- Collins (6'9)..........41.1 3pt%


So with Siakam being the creator, he wouldn't have to shoot a bunch of 3's, and he would be surrounded by shooters who can switch 1 thru 5 on defense and totally effin smother people!

They could start small each half with :

FVV
Lowry
Powell
Siakam
Collins

and then part way thru the first and 3rd quarters sit Siakam and Collins for a few minutes and go with :

FVV
Lowry
Powell
OG
Boucher

then a few minutes into the 2nd/4th quarters go to

Siakam
OG
Watanabe
Boucher
Collins


Then back to the starting lineup (or the most successful that day) to finish the last few minutes.

It would mean squeezing out Bembry, Davis, Johnson and Baynes (if they aren't part of the salary going back for Collins) and shortening the rotation down to 8 a lot of the time, but it would allow them to play all 7 of their top guys major minutes....and they all deserve them.

I do think Collins fits our team, and the timeline of Siakam/OG/Fred. With Drummond I worry about him operating in Siakam's territory, whereas with Collins he can legitimately pull defenders away from the middle. We're seeing defenders lag off of Baynes now that they recognize that they're better off letting him shoot the corner three and manning under the rim. With Collins, they wouldn't have that option. Also, if we re-sign Collins then we're still focused on down the road success. I don't know that I advocate going after Collins, but I would be much more up for it than going after Drummond... Of course all of this is dependent on the cost in assets/players expected.

[smith&wesson]

If the Hawks want a first rounder, and Collins only makes 4 mill, would you guys offer McCaws expiring $4 mill contract along with our pick this year?

I think would be a better target than Drummond. Or do we want to keep our pick?

[smith&wesson]

He's poop because he has a massive ego and can't stay in his own lane. He said he used to elbow his own teammates on purpose if they took his rebounds.
https://www.youtube.com/watch?time_c...ture=emb_title

He's not going to come in and be a Biyombo for us. Dude thinks he's Hakeem Olajuwon.
https://streamable.com/gaj2eb

I admit I don’t know much about Drummond. Didn’t know he had those attitude issues. Yikes

[Saint Raptor]

If the Hawks want a first rounder, and Collins only makes 4 mill, would you guys offer McCaws expiring $4 mill contract along with our pick this year?

I think would be a better target than Drummond. Or do we want to keep our pick?

That's close. I mean, I would much rather give them next year's 1st considering our current record and potential for a lottery pick, but I think I'd ultimately do that.

[bartron_44]

100% you trade a pick and McCaw for John Collins. The raptors arent missing the playoffs this year (unless they unload Lowry and Powell for garbage contracts and draft picks) so it isn't going to be a top 10 pick or anything like that. Collins is ready now to contribute at an all-star level, gives them another guy who can score from the paint, outside the arc and at the line.

He will likely cost a fortune to resign, but the kid is a beast and he's only 23! (....the same age as OG.)

They would have another potential star they can keep for more than one year for the low price of 1 first round pick.

If all they want is McCaw I would give them this year and our pick in 2023 for JC. Then I would lock him (and Powell) up for 4-5 years.....and Lowry for as long as he wants to play to lock down this entire core.

[Raps18-19 Champ]

If we got Collins, we probably wouldnt have a high pick for them though.

They will probably ask for a protected 1st and TD and would rather take SJ than Mccaw given hes expiring.

[smith&wesson]

If we got Collins, we probably wouldnt have a high pick for them though.

They will probably ask for a protected 1st and TD and would rather take SJ than Mccaw given hes expiring.

Stan is also expiring. But yeah you’re right. The pick probably lands 15-25 range but I’d give them Davis too if it means keeping our top 7-8 guys

Lowry/Flynn
FVV/Powell
OG/ Bembry
Siakam/Boucher
Collins/Baynes

[Saint Raptor]

Stan is also expiring. But yeah you’re right. The pick probably lands 15-25 range but I’d give them Davis too if it means keeping our top 7-8 guys

Lowry/Flynn
FVV/Powell
OG/ Bembry
Siakam/Boucher
Collins/Baynes

I don't like Davis all that much. Defensively he makes my head hurt with his constant fouling. Offensively he's the very definition of streaky, and off the court he's a complete and total headache if not simply someone who shouldn't be representing this team. If any team is willing to give value for him, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

[smith&wesson]

I don't like Davis all that much. Defensively he makes my head hurt with his constant fouling. Offensively he's the very definition of streaky, and off the court he's a complete and total headache if not simply someone who shouldn't be representing this team. If any team is willing to give value for him, I'd do it in a heartbeat.

He did something stupid in the off-season. No defending that. But I like his game. He gives us an added punch off the bench and he’s a young player who was one of the best rookies last year. He has value for sure, but his off-season antic certainly didn’t help his value. However, for a young team I think he brings something to the table especially in an expanded role.

[Cooshman]

He did something stupid in the off-season. No defending that. But I like his game. He gives us an added punch off the bench and he’s a young player who was one of the best rookies last year. He has value for sure, but his off-season antic certainly didn’t help his value. However, for a young team I think he brings something to the table especially in an expanded role.

TD is a talented athlete who can look really good at times. Yet, more times than not I see him messing up. Trying to pass the ball through traffic, out of control while driving the net, unaware of the situation around him and pretty lousy in his own end. The question is, does he have the head to put it together or is he just another talented athlete that won't figure out the NBA (there have been a ton of those)?

[ChongInc.]

Not a fan of trading for Drummond. I think they could find a better option in free agency or a small trade. Vonleh or maybe Bamba. There are plenty of centres who just haven’t really had the opportunity that is consider a better option than Drummond.

Bamba would fit like a glove.

Bamba/Bol Bol have been my go-to buy low/long term C’s in 2k for a few years now.

[ecart]

idk why they didn't take bigger risks this off-season. Baynes and Len was pretty uninspired. Apart from Boucher and Siakam, scouts havent found a single big they liked in the last couple of years...really?