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  1. #796
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    Yea thats what I thought it was. They wouldnt have guaranteed the 2nd year without the flexibility.

  2. #797
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    Quote Originally Posted by bartron_44 View Post
    nope. It is not a option of any kind.
    It is

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  3. #798
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    I stand corrected. Apparently basketball reference doesnt know this..lol


    I dont get the difference between that and a team option.( Especially since the gaurantee date is the exact same), but this makes more sense since they wouldn't give Serge 2 years guaranteed.

  4. #799
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    Trade package that makes sense for both teams

    Denver Nuggets receive: Pascal Siakam

    Toronto Raptors receive: Michael Porter Jr., R.J. Hampton, Gary Harris and 2021 first-round pick (lottery protected)


    Toronto with your new starting 5

    PG- Lowry
    SG- VanVleet
    SF- Porter Jr
    PF- Anunoby
    C- Boucher

    2nd unit

    PG- Flynn/Hampton
    SG- Gary Harris/Terrance Davis
    SF- Powell
    PF- Watanabe
    C- Baynes


    Siakam being 26 about to be 27 in April failed to secure a return trip to the All-Star Game, and he hasn't looked too convincing as an organizational centerpiece. Get him to Denver, though, and he could share second-fiddle duties with Jamal Murray in support of all-galaxy center Nikola Jokic. The Nuggets should immediately have a championship-caliber Big Three in Jokic-Siakam-Murray, and this wouldn't gut their supporting cast.

    Despite flashes from Michael Porter Jr., the trademark consistency of Paul Millsap and some two-way assistance from JaMychal Green, the Nuggets miss Jerami Grant. Siakam could be a super-charged replacement. He can defend multiple positions, score from inside and out and supply some shot-creation.

    Denver should hear a championship opportunity knocking with Jokic's rise as a top-three MVP candidate. The time to swing for the fences is now, and a trade for Siakam could be a moonshot.

    If Toronto is ready to think about the future, this trade would brighten its outlook.

    Porter might be the Association's most coveted young trade chip. The 22-year-old is a walking bucket and a matchup terror as a 6'10" forward who can shred nets at every level. His rise to stardom (or offensive stardom, at least) seems more a matter of when than if. He hasn't even played 100 career games, and he's already averaging 19.4 points per 36 minutes on 49.8/40.5/81.3 shooting.

    The Raptors could probably have their pick of Zeke Nnaji or R.J. Hampton, but the latter gets the nod here for his sky-high ceiling. The bouncy 20-year-old plays the game faster than most and reads it faster than most rookies. Gary Harris would get the money to match, but Toronto could also see value in a relentless 26-year-old defender who once shot 39-plus percent from deep in back-to-back seasons.

    Throw a first-round pick into the mix, and maybe this is enough for the Raptors to build a new blueprint for their next chapter.

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    I saw that trade rumour too. That makes our front court even weaker. We donít need more back court players we need a 5.

  6. #801
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    Perfect, he can be an enticing piece for the Hawks when we get John Collins from them.
    Quote Originally Posted by ChongInc. View Post
    Facts can be hypothetical.

  7. #802
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tg11 View Post
    Trade package that makes sense for both teams

    Denver Nuggets receive: Pascal Siakam

    Toronto Raptors receive: Michael Porter Jr., R.J. Hampton, Gary Harris and 2021 first-round pick (lottery protected)


    Toronto with your new starting 5

    PG- Lowry
    SG- VanVleet
    SF- Porter Jr
    PF- Anunoby
    C- Boucher

    2nd unit

    PG- Flynn/Hampton
    SG- Gary Harris/Terrance Davis
    SF- Powell
    PF- Watanabe
    C- Baynes


    Siakam being 26 about to be 27 in April failed to secure a return trip to the All-Star Game, and he hasn't looked too convincing as an organizational centerpiece. Get him to Denver, though, and he could share second-fiddle duties with Jamal Murray in support of all-galaxy center Nikola Jokic. The Nuggets should immediately have a championship-caliber Big Three in Jokic-Siakam-Murray, and this wouldn't gut their supporting cast.

    Despite flashes from Michael Porter Jr., the trademark consistency of Paul Millsap and some two-way assistance from JaMychal Green, the Nuggets miss Jerami Grant. Siakam could be a super-charged replacement. He can defend multiple positions, score from inside and out and supply some shot-creation.

    Denver should hear a championship opportunity knocking with Jokic's rise as a top-three MVP candidate. The time to swing for the fences is now, and a trade for Siakam could be a moonshot.

    If Toronto is ready to think about the future, this trade would brighten its outlook.

    Porter might be the Association's most coveted young trade chip. The 22-year-old is a walking bucket and a matchup terror as a 6'10" forward who can shred nets at every level. His rise to stardom (or offensive stardom, at least) seems more a matter of when than if. He hasn't even played 100 career games, and he's already averaging 19.4 points per 36 minutes on 49.8/40.5/81.3 shooting.

    The Raptors could probably have their pick of Zeke Nnaji or R.J. Hampton, but the latter gets the nod here for his sky-high ceiling. The bouncy 20-year-old plays the game faster than most and reads it faster than most rookies. Gary Harris would get the money to match, but Toronto could also see value in a relentless 26-year-old defender who once shot 39-plus percent from deep in back-to-back seasons.

    Throw a first-round pick into the mix, and maybe this is enough for the Raptors to build a new blueprint for their next chapter.
    Nope. Doesnt make sense for Toronto at all. Porter Jr is not a nick nurse type of player.



    The only way Siakam goes anywhere is for a top 10 type of player like when they moved Dero for Kawhi. Otherwise they have to hope him, OG and Fred keep improving and that they can hang on to Lowry and Powell.

    This year just isnt fair for them, and they have still been able to stay at .500. Keep the core together for next season back in Toronto ( fingers crossed) and they are among the best teams in the East again with 4 potential all-stars ( Kyle, Fred, Siakam and Powell).

    People may think i am crazy, but all 4 of those guys could average 20+ ppg with solid 3pt and FT percentages and good ( or great) defense. Whether they play small with OG or add another 7 footer who can anchor the defense, those 4 are gonna put up some quality numbers and they are gonna win a lot of games.

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    Quote Originally Posted by bartron_44 View Post
    4 potential all-stars ( Kyle, Fred, Siakam and Powell).
    No shot. 2 max.

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    TO - Thybulle Wright Plumlee Green Phi 1st Ď21 NYK 2nd Ď21
    PHI - Lowry
    DET - Davis Bradley Ferguson McCaw Cha 2nd Ď22

    We could stay pretty competitive while having three picks in a loaded draft. Green expires but you maintain some pieces past this year. Wright is crazy under valued and having a longer ball handler would help a ton.

    C Plumlee Baynes Watanabe
    PF Siakam Boucher Johnson
    SF Anunoby Green Bembry
    SG Powell Thybulle Thomas
    PG VanVleet Wright Flynn

    The Best There Is, The Best There Was, The Best There Ever Will Be

  10. #805
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    The kings have 3 Cs, Holms being the cheapest. We might be able to do a Terrance Davis for Holms swap.

  11. #806
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    doubt it. holmes is their best big. i think they would rather pay him than bags.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecart View Post
    doubt it. holmes is their best big. i think they would rather pay him than bags.
    What would it take to get Bags?

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    Quote Originally Posted by killersweet View Post
    What would it take to get Bags?
    not much. he's not good and he is very injury prone. i dont understand some of the trades people were suggesting a couple weeks ago.

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    Raptors with this trade it would make them much more scarier as a defensive team with what I'm suggesting

    Los Angeles Clippers receive: Kyle Lowry
    Toronto Raptors receive: Pat Bev, Lou Williams, Zubac and Mfiondu Kabengele


    Your new starting 5 for the Raptors

    PG- Pat Bev aka Patrick Beverley
    SG- Fred VanVleet
    SF- Norm Powell
    PF- Pascal Siakam
    C- Ivica Zubac


    2nd unit (off bench)

    PG- Malachi Flynn
    SG- Lou Williams
    SF- OG Anunoby
    PF- Chris Boucher
    C- Aron Baynes


    Clippers with their new starting 5

    PG- Lowry
    SG- PG13
    SF- Kawhi
    PF- Morris Sr
    C- Ibaka


    Clippers essentially have a Big 4 with Lowry, PG13, Kawhi and Ibaka...Lowry is reunited with Kawhi and Ibaka since they won a title together in Toronto...you can replicate that in LA and Lowry gets to go to LA...warm weather bright lights big city all the stars come out in LA

    Plus Lowry gets to get with Paul George too and he has a chance at a ring in LA


    Toronto gets better defensively with Pat Bev who has made how many All Defense teams and he's such a pest on defense...plays with heart and he has that dawg mentality which is what the Raptors players lack

    Lou Williams...Lemon Pepper Lou if he can get back to bein what he was...he instantly then would make the Raptors better

    Zubac as a big man gives you what you need...same with Kabengele.. they give you size and defense

  15. #810
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    Quote Originally Posted by Tg11 View Post
    Raptors with this trade it would make them much more scarier as a defensive team with what I'm suggesting

    Los Angeles Clippers receive: Kyle Lowry
    Toronto Raptors receive: Pat Bev, Lou Williams, Zubac and Mfiondu Kabengele


    Your new starting 5 for the Raptors

    PG- Pat Bev aka Patrick Beverley
    SG- Fred VanVleet
    SF- Norm Powell
    PF- Pascal Siakam
    C- Ivica Zubac


    2nd unit (off bench)

    PG- Malachi Flynn
    SG- Lou Williams
    SF- OG Anunoby
    PF- Chris Boucher
    C- Aron Baynes


    Clippers with their new starting 5

    PG- Lowry
    SG- PG13
    SF- Kawhi
    PF- Morris Sr
    C- Ibaka


    Clippers essentially have a Big 4 with Lowry, PG13, Kawhi and Ibaka...Lowry is reunited with Kawhi and Ibaka since they won a title together in Toronto...you can replicate that in LA and Lowry gets to go to LA...warm weather bright lights big city all the stars come out in LA

    Plus Lowry gets to get with Paul George too and he has a chance at a ring in LA


    Toronto gets better defensively with Pat Bev who has made how many All Defense teams and he's such a pest on defense...plays with heart and he has that dawg mentality which is what the Raptors players lack

    Lou Williams...Lemon Pepper Lou if he can get back to bein what he was...he instantly then would make the Raptors better

    Zubac as a big man gives you what you need...same with Kabengele.. they give you size and defense
    I don't like any trade involving Kyle Lowry that doesn't involve picks and/or young genuinely intriguing prospects coming back. I also don't particularly like Beverley's game and this forces us to commit to him through the 2021/2022 season, hurting our flexibility. For the Clippers and possibly Kyle, this move is ideal. For the Raptors, I imagine there are much better options out there with the Sixers or the Heat.

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