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    Quote Originally Posted by ecart View Post
    Morey isn't going to do that deal. He's not going to take out two important rotation guys and **** up their chemistry and identity, just to add Lowry, especially in a shortened season. It undermines the whole purpose of the trade to begin with, which is to make a championship push. The Sixers are clicking and are on a roll. If they were struggling, then it would be more likely for them to blow it up and do something drastic.

    If he does a deal, it would be more likely for him to find a third team to help match salaries and send out a bunch of young talent like Maxey, Thybulle etc.
    Not sure I agree with this. What if Lowry agrees to an extension?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecart View Post
    Morey isn't going to do that deal. He's not going to take out two important rotation guys and **** up their chemistry and identity, just to add Lowry, especially in a shortened season. It undermines the whole purpose of the trade to begin with, which is to make a championship push. The Sixers are clicking and are on a roll. If they were struggling, then it would be more likely for them to blow it up and do something drastic.

    If he does a deal, it would be more likely for him to find a third team to help match salaries and send out a bunch of young talent like Maxey, Thybulle etc.
    Lowry significantly improves their chances in the playoffs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChongInc. View Post
    Not sure I agree with this. What if Lowry agrees to an extension?
    Thatís the ultimate question. And itís followed by a series of other questions

    How much would it realistically take to keep him here? How much is too much ? And what is the term?

    Going forward do you want to be paying Lowry 20+ mill to stay ? Do you think he would sign for less? And other teams are going to make offers, does he take less money to go to a contender? A lot of variables in that question and only he knows the answer. What sorta contract are you thinking ?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecart View Post
    Morey isn't going to do that deal. He's not going to take out two important rotation guys and **** up their chemistry and identity, just to add Lowry, especially in a shortened season. It undermines the whole purpose of the trade to begin with, which is to make a championship push. The Sixers are clicking and are on a roll. If they were struggling, then it would be more likely for them to blow it up and do something drastic.

    If he does a deal, it would be more likely for him to find a third team to help match salaries and send out a bunch of young talent like Maxey, Thybulle etc.
    What about the deal I just proposed

    Bradley, Thybulle, Green, Scott and a first rounder

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChongInc. View Post
    Not sure I agree with this. What if Lowry agrees to an extension?
    Quote Originally Posted by smith&wesson View Post
    Lowry significantly improves their chances in the playoffs.
    You're taking two important rotation guys out of their gameplan, taking the ball out of Simmons' hands, adding in Lowry who isnt exactly a spot up shooter. Everyone will have to adjust.

    It doesn't matter if Lowry makes them better on paper, they're prob not going to gel by playoffs especially not during a shortened season with covid restrictions. If the Sixers were struggling like Houston was last year, then maybe Morey would gamble on something like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smith&wesson View Post
    What about the deal I just proposed

    Bradley, Thybulle, Green, Scott and a first rounder
    They prob won't give up Thybulle and Green. Look at the Harden trade, Morey was mad stingy with who he was willing to give up. Maxey was a dealbreaker.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ecart View Post
    They prob won't give up Thybulle and Green. Look at the Harden trade, Morey was mad stingy with who he was willing to give up. Maxey was a dealbreaker.
    Iím not sure where you heard that. I can provide you articles showing that Firtetta wouldnít even let Stone talk to Morey regarding any Harden trade.

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/nba.nbcs...-to-76ers/amp/

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbss...er-report/amp/

    Also, even if Maxey was the deal breaker, heís not involved in the deal at all. The 6ers have a log jam of players at SG: Curry, Maxey, Milton,Thybulle Korkmaz

    Iím actually shocked that you think Danny friggin Green and Thybulle who plays 18 mins a game is the deal breaker for Lowry who could be the piece that puts them over. I donít even want Green in the deal, his expiring salary is simply there to make it closer to matching Lowrys. Other wise Green has been on the decline for a couple years now. Heís a streaky shooter whoís good defensively but has lost some lateral quickness from his prime days. Lowry is still playing at an all star level comparatively and brings so much more to their team in terms of contributing to wins.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smith&wesson View Post
    Iím not sure where you heard that. I can provide you articles showing that Firtetta wouldnít even let Stone talk to Morey regarding any Harden trade.

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/nba.nbcs...-to-76ers/amp/

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbss...er-report/amp/

    Also, even if Maxey was the deal breaker, heís not involved in the deal at all. The 6ers have a log jam of players at SG: Curry, Maxey, Milton,Thybulle Korkmaz
    Nah they talked. They just ignored Morey after they demanded Maxey. It's not specifically about Maxey, it's about recognizing what Morey has put into deals so far. It's obvious he is reluctant to rob them of their depth.

    lol what logjam at SG? Listing every SG they have doesn't mean they actually have a log jam. The Raptors had a log jam too, but guess what none of them were playable in the playoffs. Only Green and Curry can shoot 3s, which is vital to Embiid's and Simmons' effectiveness. Thybulle might see minutes for defense. Nobody else is going to see any serious time come playoffs.


    Quote Originally Posted by smith&wesson View Post
    Iím actually shocked that you think Danny friggin Green and Thybulle who plays 18 mins a game is the deal breaker for Lowry who could be the piece that puts them over. I donít even want Green in the deal, his expiring salary is simply there to make it closer to matching Lowrys. Other wise Green has been on the decline for a couple years now. Heís a streaky shooter whoís good defensively but has lost some lateral quickness from his prime days. Lowry is still playing at an all star level comparatively and brings so much more to their team in terms of contributing to wins.
    Green attempts and makes 3s at a higher rate than anyone on their team by far. Thybulle is their second best wing defender after Simmons. Lowry isn't going to guard Giannis, Tatum, Brown, Lebron, KD etc. Their wing depth is complete garbage if they give up both of them.

    How is Lowry the piece that puts them over? That is far from guaranteed. Lowry is at his best when he has the ball and is allowed to be a floor general. Same with Simmons. One will have to completely change their game to support the other. Their spacing with Simmons playing in the paint goes back to being ******. Will they have enough time in a shortened season to figure that out? Why does Morey have to gamble on that when everything is clicking right now?
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    Quote Originally Posted by smith&wesson View Post
    Thatís the ultimate question. And itís followed by a series of other questions

    How much would it realistically take to keep him here? How much is too much ? And what is the term?

    Going forward do you want to be paying Lowry 20+ mill to stay ? Do you think he would sign for less? And other teams are going to make offers, does he take less money to go to a contender? A lot of variables in that question and only he knows the answer. What sorta contract are you thinking ?
    No Iím saying what if Lowry agrees to an extension with philly. Does that justify the picks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChongInc. View Post
    No Iím saying what if Lowry agrees to an extension with philly. Does that justify the picks.
    He likely would being that they would be a contender and he is from there. They also get his bird rights so they can match deals too if it comes to that. Also their picks wonít be that high, likely 25-30 being that theyíre first in the east. I think the biggest sticking point is getting salaries to match with out giving up pieces of their core.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecart View Post
    Nah they talked. They just ignored Morey after they demanded Maxey. It's not specifically about Maxey, it's about recognizing what Morey has put into deals so far. It's obvious he is reluctant to rob them of their depth.

    lol what logjam at SG? Listing every SG they have doesn't mean they actually have a log jam. The Raptors had a log jam too, but guess what none of them were playable in the playoffs. Only Green and Curry can shoot 3s, which is vital to Embiid's and Simmons' effectiveness. Thybulle might see minutes for defense. Nobody else is going to see any serious time come playoffs.




    Green attempts and makes 3s at a higher rate than anyone on their team by far. Thybulle is their second best wing defender after Simmons. Lowry isn't going to guard Giannis, Tatum, Brown, Lebron, KD etc. Their wing depth is complete garbage if they give up both of them.

    How is Lowry the piece that puts them over? That is far from guaranteed. Lowry is at his best when he has the ball and is allowed to be a floor general. Same with Simmons. One will have to completely change their game to support the other. Their spacing with Simmons playing in the paint goes back to being ******. Will they have enough time in a shortened season to figure that out? Why does Morey have to gamble on that when everything is clicking right now?
    You and I have a very different opinion on what the value that Lowry brings. He moves the needle. Green and Thybulle donít. They can certainly use a 2nd ball handler and facilitator, they can also use a guy like Lowry to simply show them how to win. That team has a boat load of talent but lack mental toughness and leadership in the playoffs. Giving up Green and Thybulle and adding Lowry would actually be a huge lift for them. Also Simmons guards the aposing teams best perimeter player and he plays like 40 mins a game. Heís also proclaimed himself the best man on man defender in the league. Lowry is no slump on defence himself.

    Green will lose his shot in the playoffs like he always does. He did with the Raptors, he did with the Lakers too.

    Morey is a gun slinger if you wanna get a better sense of the type of moves he makes just look at his trade track record in Houston for the last 6+ years. Not just the Harden trade you hear rumours about.

    Also youíre saying Morey and Stone discussed a trade for Harden, but Maxey was the deal breaker? Do you have a source on that? Because as a Rockets fan I was following that very closely and havenít come across anything like that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smith&wesson View Post
    You and I have a very different opinion on what the value that Lowry brings. He moves the needle. Green and Thybulle donít.
    How does he move the needle? Come play off time, every team is going to have a bigger guard on him. He's not guaranteed to pop off. And Lowry wasn't exactly amazing when he played off ball to Kawhi. Having Lowry play off ball reduces all the amazing things he does. If Lowry dominates the ball, then Simmons is basically useless on offense. They're both much worse off playing off ball. They're going to need time to adjust and figure out a good balance. Playoffs are in May. They're not going to figure **** out in 2 months especially with old man Rivers coaching them.

    Plus Sixers lose their ability to have wing shooting and defense. Now they have choose between shooting or defense. It makes it much harder for them to hide Seth.


    Quote Originally Posted by smith&wesson View Post
    They can certainly use a 2nd ball handler and facilitator, they can also use a guy like Lowry to simply show them how to win. That team has a boat load of talent but lack mental toughness and leadership in the playoffs. Giving up Green and Thybulle and adding Lowry would actually be a huge lift for them. Also Simmons guards the aposing teams best perimeter player and he plays like 40 mins a game. Heís also proclaimed himself the best man on man defender in the league. Lowry is no slump on defence himself.

    Green will lose his shot in the playoffs like he always does. He did with the Raptors, he did with the Lakers too.
    Did Jimmy show them how to win? Toughness and leadership doesn't matter when you have no spacing. Who cares if Lowry is good at defense? He's an undersized guard that can only guard 1 on the perimeter. Dude gets cooked by bigger dudes. Lowry is 50/50 in the post, but on the perimeter, he has no shot. At least Green and Thybulle gives them bodies to throw at wings.

    Simmons is just one guy man. If he is guarding Giannis, you need someone on Middleton. If he is on Tatum, you need someone on Brown. Harris isn't that guy. You also need bodies so guys aren't scared to be physical and take fouls. Lowry doesn't even enter that equation.


    Quote Originally Posted by smith&wesson View Post
    Morey is a gun slinger if you wanna get a better sense of the type of moves he makes just look at his trade track record in Houston for the last 6+ years. Not just the Harden trade you hear rumours about.
    Morey only does that when his teams are underperforming. He believes in chemistry. If they're playing well he's not going to shake it up.

    Quote Originally Posted by ChongInc. View Post
    Also youíre saying Morey and Stone discussed a trade for Harden, but Maxey was the deal breaker? Do you have a source on that? Because as a Rockets fan I was following that very closely and havenít come across anything like that.
    Morey didn't want to give up Maxey so he called other teams to see if he could get other assets. While he was doing that, Brooklyn called them up. Tilman wouldn't let Stone get a final counter from Morey, told him to just do the deal because he was tired of waiting. Stein, Woj etc reported that ****.

    Ultimately at the end of the day, even if the players they're giving up don't seem like much, you're asking them to drastically change how they play. No GM is going to **** with that when they're rolling. And this isn't even taking into account Lowry being an expiring.
    Last edited by ecart; 02-23-2021 at 10:22 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smith&wesson View Post
    Green and Currys salaries would have to be included to make salaries closer to matching. Or you can swap out Curry for Scott (will be their preference.

    Green, Curry, Bradley, Thybulle = 29.3 mill

    Lowry = 30 mill

    I would do that trade with a pick because all 4 players can be in the rotation. I donít think Morey would give up two first rounders for an expiring Lowry either. But I think one pick with that combination of players could suffice.

    - Curry and Green will be depth pieces and you can never have enough shooting. Plus we kinda have to take them to make the deal work. Green is an expiring contract anyways and Curry is good value at 7 mill a year.

    - Thybulle is under a very good, and team friendly contract for another 2 years after this one. And is a good young prospect that can def contribute right away.

    - Bradley is the piece that we can use most at the 5. He is young and can be groomed in our system and I think could become a very serviceable C which we could use right away. He would alleviate Baynes from playing so many mins and hopefully that takes some pressure off of Baynes which could result to better production in a lessor role.

    And then we get another pick in this draft which is suppose to be a deep one and we could possibly package it with our own pick to move up in the draft.

    I actually think this deal would help us this season and in the off season.
    You can substitute Thybulle for Curry and the salaries still work. They play Thybulle less minutes and he makes more sense for us. The idea of Lowry is to let Simmons play more of a point forward and have a secondary ball-handler and shooting. Trading Curry hurts them more today then Thybulle.

    C - Embid
    PF - Simmons
    SF - Harris
    SG - Curry
    PG - Lowry

    Plus Milton Howard Maxey and buyouts. Thatís a great team. I donít even need two firsts if Thybulle is included, there first this year and the NYK second is ok with me. Three bullets in this draft would be huge

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    Quote Originally Posted by smith&wesson View Post
    Iím not sure where you heard that. I can provide you articles showing that Firtetta wouldnít even let Stone talk to Morey regarding any Harden trade.

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/nba.nbcs...-to-76ers/amp/

    https://www.google.ca/amp/s/www.cbss...er-report/amp/

    Also, even if Maxey was the deal breaker, heís not involved in the deal at all. The 6ers have a log jam of players at SG: Curry, Maxey, Milton,Thybulle Korkmaz

    Iím actually shocked that you think Danny friggin Green and Thybulle who plays 18 mins a game is the deal breaker for Lowry who could be the piece that puts them over. I donít even want Green in the deal, his expiring salary is simply there to make it closer to matching Lowrys. Other wise Green has been on the decline for a couple years now. Heís a streaky shooter whoís good defensively but has lost some lateral quickness from his prime days. Lowry is still playing at an all star level comparatively and brings so much more to their team in terms of contributing to wins.
    Agreed. Iíd try and flip Green somewhere for either someone that doesnít expire we could use, or draft capital. Cap space is useless to us, I donít get why people still talk like we can sign anyone significant without losing Powell and Boucher. Iíd try and use Green and picks to get Lonzo to he back up and occasionally next to FVV. Iíd trade our Ď22 pick if theyíd take it. Iíd like to protect picks in this draft if possible.

    But anyways point is. Thybulle and two picks is not ridiculous for Lowry. Jrue got three first and swaps.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecart View Post
    How does he move the needle? Come play off time, every team is going to have a bigger guard on him. He's not guaranteed to pop off. And Lowry wasn't exactly amazing when he played off ball to Kawhi. Having Lowry play off ball reduces all the amazing things he does. If Lowry dominates the ball, then Simmons is basically useless on offense. They're both much worse off playing off ball. They're going to need time to adjust and figure out a good balance. Playoffs are in May. They're not going to figure **** out in 2 months especially with old man Rivers coaching them.

    Plus Sixers lose their ability to have wing shooting and defense. Now they have choose between shooting or defense. It makes it much harder for them to hide Seth.




    Did Jimmy show them how to win? Toughness and leadership doesn't matter when you have no spacing. Who cares if Lowry is good at defense? He's an undersized guard that can only guard 1 on the perimeter. Dude gets cooked by bigger dudes. Lowry is 50/50 in the post, but on the perimeter, he has no shot. At least Green and Thybulle gives them bodies to throw at wings.

    Simmons is just one guy man. If he is guarding Giannis, you need someone on Middleton. If he is on Tatum, you need someone on Brown. Harris isn't that guy. You also need bodies so guys aren't scared to be physical and take fouls. Lowry doesn't even enter that equation.




    Morey only does that when his teams are underperforming. He believes in chemistry. If they're playing well he's not going to shake it up.



    Morey didn't want to give up Maxey so he called other teams to see if he could get other assets. While he was doing that, Brooklyn called them up. Tilman wouldn't let Stone get a final counter from Morey, told him to just do the deal because he was tired of waiting. Stein, Woj etc reported that ****.

    Ultimately at the end of the day, even if the players they're giving up don't seem like much, you're asking them to drastically change how they play. No GM is going to **** with that when they're rolling. And this isn't even taking into account Lowry being an expiring.
    I think you are vastly overstating the value of Green. And seriously understating the impact of Lowry.. I think Lowry fits what they need as a leader and 2nd primary ball handler and facilitator. Agree to disagree my man.

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