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  1. #511
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    Quote Originally Posted by smith&wesson View Post
    If Stan keeps it up it’s another win for our developmental culture. He’s looking great so far. Who would have thought. It’s almost like having two OGs out there lol
    almost literally... When their hair was the same early on in pre-season I kept getting them mixed up....and so did Matty D..lol His form isn't awful on his 3pt shot, but still a little mechanical. All he needs to do though is make people respect his shot and play defense.

  2. #512
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    Can we get back RHJ now that we have a free spot.

  3. #513
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    Raptors should go after Bagley period

  4. #514
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    Sure but RHJ is easier to get.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Raps18-19 Champ View Post
    Sure but RHJ is easier to get.
    Not interested personally.

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    bagley isn't even good

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    Trade package for your Raptors

    Toronto Raptors receive: Lonzo Ball, Eric Bledsoe and Nickeil Alexander Walker

    New Orleans Pelicans receive: Kyle Lowry

    New starting 5 for the Raptors

    PG- Ball
    SG- VanVleet
    SF- Anunoby
    PF- Siakam
    C- Boucher

    2nd unit

    PG- Alexander Walker
    SG- Bledsoe
    SF- Powell
    PF- Watanabe
    C- Baynes

    Why this trade works out for both teams

    The Toronto Raptors have a player that the Pelicans could want, who is in the last year of his contract. Franchise legend Kyle Lowry is 34 (soon to be 35) and could possibly be traded before his contract expires. Lowry deserves to go to a team where he can compete for one of the last years of his career, and that team could be the Pelicans.

    Kyle Lowry will hit free agency after the end of the 2020-21 season, and there is no guarantee that the Toronto Raptors will retain him. Lowry could want a long term contract from the Raptors, but he is one of the only players over 30 on the roster. Toronto seems like it could go with a younger core, and trading Lowry would clear up space for Norman Powell to start, who has shown to be solid when in the starting lineup. It would be simply prudent to get some assets for a player that might leave at the end of the season, while also letting the franchise’s younger players have more touches.

    The Pelicans would send out three players to acquire Lowry. Lonzo Ball is a young piece that is also a restricted free agent next season: the Toronto Raptors could match any offer made for Ball in free agency, and have a young point guard for the future. Lonzo Ball is an elite playmaker who can also shoot the 3PT shot: during 2019-20 he was shooting 37.5% from beyond the arc on 6.3 attempts per game. While Ball has been struggling more this year, the Toronto Raptors could use some size at the guard position, and with their development system, Lonzo Ball could become a solid two-way point guard.

    Eric Bledsoe and Nickeil Alexander-Walker could bolster the reserves, as the Raptors bench has struggled at times this season. Eric Bledsoe could either be traded down the line or he could stay and become a solid veteran for the franchise. Nickeil Alexander-Walker could become a spark plug scorer off of the bench as well, with the potential to start if Ball doesn’t work out for the Raptors. This trade gives the Raptors some value for their aging star.

    Despite the fact that Kyle Lowry has gotten older, he is still playing at an All-Star level. Lowry is currently averaging 18.7 PPG, 6.0 RPG, and 7.2 APG. Lowry can run the offense at a high level and create for his teammates. Playing with a passer of Lowry’s caliber could potentially help Zion Williamson utilize his scoring to the fullest. Lowry is the type of player that elevates a team with a few stars to a contender. Lowry is never going to be your leading scorer, but he offers great leadership and passing, with championship experience on top of that.

    Playing as the third scoring option behind Zion Williamson and Brandon Ingram would be nothing new to Lowry. Lowry was notably the third scoring option during the 2018-19 Toronto Raptors championship run, and he is a player that is willing to sacrifice usage to win basketball games. Lowry would also provide good spacing, as he attempts 8.1 3PT shots per game while hitting them at a 37% clip. Plenty of point guards who use their vision to succeed play late into their 30s: Jason Kidd and Steve Nash are recent examples, and Lowry could follow the trend.

    This move would give the New Orleans Pelicans an established third option for their young stars. After Lonzo Ball rejected an extension during the offseason, they could potentially elect not to re-sign him. It would make sense to try and get an upgrade on the roster: none of the players in the trade package are untouchable and getting a 6-time All-Star could be appealing for a franchise with high aspirations. If Lowry plays well, the Pelicans could elect to re-sign him: if not, that’s a huge contract off the salary books. This trade would give the New Orleans Pelicans a great two-way point guard who can help teach their young stars how to win at the highest level.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ecart View Post
    bagley isn't even good
    I’d prefer Holms... something tells me one of them will get moved considering Bagley’s dad has been asking for the kings to trade him. Either they trade Holms and create a bigger role for Bagley or they just find a suitor for Bagley.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Tg11 View Post
    Trade package for your Raptors

    Toronto Raptors receive: Lonzo Ball, Eric Bledsoe and Nickeil Alexander Walker

    New Orleans Pelicans receive: Kyle Lowry

    New starting 5 for the Raptors

    PG- Ball
    SG- VanVleet
    SF- Anunoby
    PF- Siakam
    C- Boucher

    2nd unit

    PG- Alexander Walker
    SG- Bledsoe
    SF- Powell
    PF- Watanabe
    C- Baynes

    Why this trade works out for both teams

    The Toronto Raptors have a player that the Pelicans could want, who is in the last year of his contract. Franchise legend Kyle Lowry is 34 (soon to be 35) and could possibly be traded before his contract expires. Lowry deserves to go to a team where he can compete for one of the last years of his career, and that team could be the Pelicans.

    Kyle Lowry will hit free agency after the end of the 2020-21 season, and there is no guarantee that the Toronto Raptors will retain him. Lowry could want a long term contract from the Raptors, but he is one of the only players over 30 on the roster. Toronto seems like it could go with a younger core, and trading Lowry would clear up space for Norman Powell to start, who has shown to be solid when in the starting lineup. It would be simply prudent to get some assets for a player that might leave at the end of the season, while also letting the franchise’s younger players have more touches.

    The Pelicans would send out three players to acquire Lowry. Lonzo Ball is a young piece that is also a restricted free agent next season: the Toronto Raptors could match any offer made for Ball in free agency, and have a young point guard for the future. Lonzo Ball is an elite playmaker who can also shoot the 3PT shot: during 2019-20 he was shooting 37.5% from beyond the arc on 6.3 attempts per game. While Ball has been struggling more this year, the Toronto Raptors could use some size at the guard position, and with their development system, Lonzo Ball could become a solid two-way point guard.

    Eric Bledsoe and Nickeil Alexander-Walker could bolster the reserves, as the Raptors bench has struggled at times this season. Eric Bledsoe could either be traded down the line or he could stay and become a solid veteran for the franchise. Nickeil Alexander-Walker could become a spark plug scorer off of the bench as well, with the potential to start if Ball doesn’t work out for the Raptors. This trade gives the Raptors some value for their aging star.

    Despite the fact that Kyle Lowry has gotten older, he is still playing at an All-Star level. Lowry is currently averaging 18.7 PPG, 6.0 RPG, and 7.2 APG. Lowry can run the offense at a high level and create for his teammates. Playing with a passer of Lowry’s caliber could potentially help Zion Williamson utilize his scoring to the fullest. Lowry is the type of player that elevates a team with a few stars to a contender. Lowry is never going to be your leading scorer, but he offers great leadership and passing, with championship experience on top of that.

    Playing as the third scoring option behind Zion Williamson and Brandon Ingram would be nothing new to Lowry. Lowry was notably the third scoring option during the 2018-19 Toronto Raptors championship run, and he is a player that is willing to sacrifice usage to win basketball games. Lowry would also provide good spacing, as he attempts 8.1 3PT shots per game while hitting them at a 37% clip. Plenty of point guards who use their vision to succeed play late into their 30s: Jason Kidd and Steve Nash are recent examples, and Lowry could follow the trend.

    This move would give the New Orleans Pelicans an established third option for their young stars. After Lonzo Ball rejected an extension during the offseason, they could potentially elect not to re-sign him. It would make sense to try and get an upgrade on the roster: none of the players in the trade package are untouchable and getting a 6-time All-Star could be appealing for a franchise with high aspirations. If Lowry plays well, the Pelicans could elect to re-sign him: if not, that’s a huge contract off the salary books. This trade would give the New Orleans Pelicans a great two-way point guard who can help teach their young stars how to win at the highest level.
    Lowry is an expiring contract and probably wouldn’t resign with Pelicans as he is turning 35 and they are no where near contention. That would make Lowry a half year rental for the Pelicans. I don’t think they do that trade.

    I also don’t think we would have any interest in Lonzo or Bledsoe, as we already have FVV & Flynn. So the Raptors def would not do that trade. This is one case where the trade doesn’t make sense for either team.

  10. #520
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    Quote Originally Posted by smith&wesson View Post
    Lowry is an expiring contract and probably wouldn’t resign with Pelicans as he is turning 35 and they are no where near contention. That would make Lowry a half year rental for the Pelicans. I don’t think they do that trade.

    I also don’t think we would have any interest in Lonzo or Bledsoe, as we already have FVV & Flynn. So the Raptors def would not do that trade. This is one case where the trade doesn’t make sense for either team.
    Agreed on both counts. Lonzo has been overrated by his father and his draft pedigree. FVV is PG of the future and better than both Lonzo or Bledsoe. If Lowry is dealt, it needs to be draft picks and/or young controllable assets in areas of need.

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    No to Lonzo.

    The guy needs to be in a specific spot to succeed.

  12. #522
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    This is a pipe dream rebuild deal but I’d be interested to see everyone’s rank of who does the best in this 3 team

    TO - Green, Oubre, Wiseman, Thybulle, Ferguson, Looney Min 2021 Pick, Phi 2023
    PHI - Lowry,
    GS - Siakam Bradley, Phi 2021

    GS gets an All NBA talent for an expiring and a pick and that don’t match their timeline
    Phi gets a real point guard for spare parts
    TO gets pieces for a rebuild. Maybe you move Oubre and Green on for more picks.

    The Best There Is, The Best There Was, The Best There Ever Will Be

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    Quote Originally Posted by 500 Level View Post
    This is a pipe dream rebuild deal but I’d be interested to see everyone’s rank of who does the best in this 3 team

    TO - Green, Oubre, Wiseman, Thybulle, Ferguson, Looney Min 2021 Pick, Phi 2023
    PHI - Lowry,
    GS - Siakam Bradley, Phi 2021

    GS gets an All NBA talent for an expiring and a pick and that don’t match their timeline
    Phi gets a real point guard for spare parts
    TO gets pieces for a rebuild. Maybe you move Oubre and Green on for more picks.
    Not for me. I see siakam as lining up with a rebuild. I want him around. He’s 1/5th of a great team.

  14. #524
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    Currently on pace for 30-52 season.
    That would have us picking around 10th in the 2019 draft.

    Hope we either figure it out, or tank. I do not like being in the middle.

  15. #525
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    Hard to see us finishing bottom 5. I wouldn’t want them to intentionally lose. Trading Powell and Lowry at some point should be a consideration at this pace though.

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