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    How Great is Doc Rivers For the Clippers?

    Not only is he going to institute the defensive identity that he had in Boston led by KG with the Clippers led by PG/Kawhi, but he also gets the best of his role players.



    Landry Shamet is playing lights beyond better than he ever did in Philly, ZUBLOCKA is playing better than he ever did when he was a Laker. JaMychal Green, Patrick Patterson and Terrance Mann are playing lights out.



    How is any going to be able to combat the Doc Rivers led LA Clippers with the best duo in the league, the best complimentary role players, the best defensive schemed team and top 10 offense?

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    Once they shipped out his kid and the nepotism stopped, he coached objectively and with less agenda again.

    He could of had Ingles and Bullock helping out with depth on the wing which they lack during the lob city years.

    He is doing a very nice job now though and Ill givwe him props as he stepped up his coaching the last few seasons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Heediot View Post
    Once they shipped out his kid and the nepotism stopped, he coached objectively and with less agenda again.

    He could of had Ingles and Bullock helping out with depth on the wing which they lack during the lob city years.

    He is doing a very nice job now though and Ill givwe him props as he stepped up his coaching the last few seasons.
    Better coach than Vogel for sure

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    Based on results he is one of the most overrated. One championship with a stacked Celtics team was not a failure, but nothing special either. Then with Lob City he had less success than they expected to have, when in the playoffs coaches are supposed to make a difference. Last year was finally a true overachievment. But in general I hate how the term "championship coach" is being used as a sign of a coach being superior to another. For example, it was an absolute joke to claim that Ty Lue would have been a much better option than Vogel.

    Another thing, I wonder how good the relationship between Doc and PG is now? Remember PG cheated on Doc's daughter few years ago, impregnated a stripper who is now his wife.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SenileStern View Post
    Based on results he is one of the most overrated. One championship with a stacked Celtics team was not a failure, but nothing special either. Then with Lob City he had less success than they expected to have, when in the playoffs coaches are supposed to make a difference. Last year was finally a true overachievment. But in general I hate how the term "championship coach" is being used as a sign of a coach being superior to another. For example, it was an absolute joke to claim that Ty Lue would have been a much better option than Vogel.

    Another thing, I wonder how good the relationship between Doc and PG is now? Remember PG cheated on Doc's daughter few years ago, impregnated a stripper who is now his wife.
    Doc also traded his son Austin to the Wizards for Gortat.

    It’s a game, no room for personal vendettas. Doc is a professional championship caliber coach and the best coach in the NBA. Simple and plain.

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    Doc has been inconsistent as a coach. He's mostly a good motivator, but that's easier when you have self motivating players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SenileStern View Post
    Based on results he is one of the most overrated. One championship with a stacked Celtics team was not a failure, but nothing special either. Then with Lob City he had less success than they expected to have, when in the playoffs coaches are supposed to make a difference. Last year was finally a true overachievment. But in general I hate how the term "championship coach" is being used as a sign of a coach being superior to another. For example, it was an absolute joke to claim that Ty Lue would have been a much better option than Vogel.

    Another thing, I wonder how good the relationship between Doc and PG is now? Remember PG cheated on Doc's daughter few years ago, impregnated a stripper who is now his wife.
    The only stacked Boston team was the one he won with. KG hurt his knee on year two and was never the same. Still a really good player but not the “Big Ticket” anymore. And Pierce/Ray, while great, were never #1 players on a title team good in their primes, never mind on the backend of their careers. Once KG wasn’t HOF level anymore Boston wasn’t stacked anymore.


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    Quote Originally Posted by SenileStern View Post
    Based on results he is one of the most overrated. One championship with a stacked Celtics team was not a failure, but nothing special either. Then with Lob City he had less success than they expected to have, when in the playoffs coaches are supposed to make a difference. Last year was finally a true overachievment. But in general I hate how the term "championship coach" is being used as a sign of a coach being superior to another. For example, it was an absolute joke to claim that Ty Lue would have been a much better option than Vogel.

    Another thing, I wonder how good the relationship between Doc and PG is now? Remember PG cheated on Doc's daughter few years ago, impregnated a stripper who is now his wife.
    Did you say FINALLY atrue overachievement when the man literally came into the league and won COY because his Orlando team overachieved?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaVar Ball View Post
    Doc also traded his son Austin to the Wizards for Gortat.

    It’s a game, no room for personal vendettas. Doc is a professional championship caliber coach and the best coach in the NBA. Simple and plain.
    Pretty sure that wasn't him. He gave Austin all the time in the world to develop that it rubbed people the wrong way. Nepotism was his only true failure as a coach.

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    Quote Originally Posted by hugepatsfan View Post
    The only stacked Boston team was the one he won with. KG hurt his knee on year two and was never the same. Still a really good player but not the “Big Ticket” anymore. And Pierce/Ray, while great, were never #1 players on a title team good in their primes, never mind on the backend of their careers. Once KG wasn’t HOF level anymore Boston wasn’t stacked anymore.
    Incorrect


    Paul Pierce with a fat Antoine Walker led the Boston Celtics to the 2002 ECF and were 2 wins away from reaching the nBA Finals for the league to have another Lakers-Celtics Finals that year. But they lost to JKIdd/KMart/RJ and the Nets in those conference finals.


    Ray Allen with a Big Dogg Glenn Robinson and Sam Cassell led the Milwaukee Bucks to the 2001 ECF and they were 1 win away from reaching the finals to have a Bucks-Lakers Finals, but Ray and the Bucks lost to AI and the Sixers in 7.





    KG led the Minnesota Timberwolves to the 2004 WCF and lost in 6 games to the Shaq-Kobe-Payton-Malone-Phil Lakers. He had Latrell, Cassell and Sczerbiak on his roster.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaVar Ball View Post
    Incorrect


    Paul Pierce with a fat Antoine Walker led the Boston Celtics to the 2002 ECF and were 2 wins away from reaching the nBA Finals for the league to have another Lakers-Celtics Finals that year. But they lost to JKIdd/KMart/RJ and the Nets in those conference finals.


    Ray Allen with a Big Dogg Glenn Robinson and Sam Cassell led the Milwaukee Bucks to the 2001 ECF and they were 1 win away from reaching the finals to have a Bucks-Lakers Finals, but Ray and the Bucks lost to AI and the Sixers in 7.





    KG led the Minnesota Timberwolves to the 2004 WCF and lost in 6 games to the Shaq-Kobe-Payton-Malone-Phil Lakers. He had Latrell, Cassell and Sczerbiak on his roster.
    They’re awesome, HOF players. That’s not in question. But go look at teams over time that won championships. KG is one of the weaker best players on a title teams of all time. Pierce is one of the weaker #2s. The Celtics were able to offset that by Ray being one of the better #3s. This idea that Boston had some all time great loaded roster is a little overstated when people try to discredit Doc.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hugepatsfan View Post
    They’re awesome, HOF players. That’s not in question. But go look at teams over time that won championships. KG is one of the weaker best players on a title teams of all time. Pierce is one of the weaker #2s. The Celtics were able to offset that by Ray being one of the better #3s. This idea that Boston had some all time great loaded roster is a little overstated when people try to discredit Doc.
    KG his 1st yr in Boston when they won the title was the DPOY. Paul Pierce ended up with Finals MP. Ray Allen in that game 6 hit the most 3's in a finals game blowing out the Lakers by 39.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LaVar Ball View Post
    KG his 1st yr in Boston when they won the title was the DPOY. Paul Pierce ended up with Finals MP. Ray Allen in that game 6 hit the most 3's in a finals game blowing out the Lakers by 39.
    Just go back to 80s and look at the top players on the title winning teams. Then compare it to all time rankings. Do any of Boston’s “Big 3” tank as high as these guys:

    Bird
    Magic
    Moses Malone
    Isaiah Thomas
    Jordan
    Hakeem
    Duncan
    Shaq
    Chauncey Billiups
    Wade
    Kobe
    Dirk
    Lebron
    Kawhi
    Steph
    Durant

    Those are all the #1 players on championship teams since the 80s. KG was Boston’s best player. He obviously ranks above Chauncey and would be debatable with Isaiah/Dirk on most lists. Everyone else ranks above him already or assuredly will one day.

    Also consider the #2 player on those teams. Wade, Steph, Kobe, Duncan are all listed as #1s but each was a #2 on separate title teams. Other guys who were #2s include Kareem, Pippen, Clyde Drexler, McHale, The Admiral, Ginobli. If I went out and listed the #2s on title teams than Pierce would be near the bottom of that list.

    The idea that Doc got handed a loser group of superstars anyone could win with isn’t true. Yes, they were great players and HoFers but it’s still one of the weaker to win it all. They made up for a lacking #1/#2 by having a stronger #3 than most.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Chronz View Post
    Did you say FINALLY atrue overachievement when the man literally came into the league and won COY because his Orlando team overachieved?
    Ok finally again after 19 years! I don't remember how impressive it was to go 50% for 4 years in Orlando. His overall success in Orlando, Boston and LA can be described as mediocre, 1 title was expected and it's what he achieved. But his stats don't show me why he got that reputation of being a difference maker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SenileStern View Post
    Ok finally again after 19 years! I don't remember how impressive it was to go 50% for 4 years in Orlando. His overall success in Orlando, Boston and LA can be described as mediocre, 1 title was expected and it's what he achieved. But his stats don't show me why he got that reputation of being a difference maker.
    sure, if ur logic is devoid of context explain Orlando kruger

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