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  1. #31
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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn2timer View Post
    Looking at that group of Mitch, Rj, Knox, Frank & Cole. I think asking whether that team gets you to the 8th seed is the wrong question to be asking. The only guy up for an extension next year would be Frank and at a modest number I would assume. What do the rest make $20mln combined?

    Now if you have RJ going into year 2 you are hoping he has the potential to be a #1 #2 option. Knox I think is a bench player. Mitch is your starting 5 and Cole/Lamelo is your starting 1. Frank I also have as a utility player off the bench that might finish games.

    It's a much clearer picture to build around. Now you re-deploy that money to fit that roster better. Which means we need a few wings, a stretch 4 and a backup pg. All of whom need to be able to shoot haha.

    Players to target in 2020 - Otto Porter, M Harrell, & Danilo off the top of my head

    Players to bring back - Portis and Taj, on lower numbers I would hope.

    Cole-DSJr
    RJ-Frank
    Porter-Knox
    Danilo-Portis
    Mitch-Taj

    Just some early thoughts.. I hope Randle makes me a believer, I really wanted to like him. I still think he has serious skills and a solid player can be mined. But I feel sick to my stomach watching this guy play sometimes. I'm not a fan right now. And would want out of this experiment if the opportunity presents itself
    Iím mostly with you but Iíd bring back Morris before Portis if the money was right.

    And I donít really like Porter or Gallo here unless there are no better options. Iíd personally rather sign a Joe Harris but I guess thatís splitting hairs a bit. I know Porter can shoot & Gallo used to get to the line, but I donít follow either closely and to my knowledge theyíre both just meh vets. Hoping we can do better and as much as Frankís shooting percentages and aggression need serious improvement, heís still a guy who seems to have a consistent impact on the teamís plus/minus. But if he canít be at least somewhat of a scoring threat who can give you 10 ppg on close to 45% from the field then yeah heís a bench player imo. Weíll see what develops this season.

    Joe Harris on like a one year deal interests me a bit tho.

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    The Knicks don't develop players. They just throw them out there and see what sticks.

    Nate Robinson, Landry Fields, Iman Shumpert, Marty Collins, Wilson Chandler, Jordan Hill, Tim Hardaway Jr, Channing Frye, Trevor Ariza, Dalino Gallinari....NONE of them stayed with the Knicks beyond a few seasons.

    Last Knick draft pick to make the All-Star game before Porzingis was David Lee.

    If memory serves, Porzingis went home and played for Latvia after ditching the all-important exit interview. Came back, looking even better before the injury.

    Frank Ntilikina goes back to France, gets some minutes and comes back vastly improved offensively and defensively.

    Maybe the Knicks help RJ Barrett become a better free throw shooter? Maybe Mitchell Robinson develops a short jumper and he doesn't have another concussion? Maybe Kevin Knox develops consistency and defense? Maybe Dotson becomes more consistent shooter?

    Maybe...but history has proven this is not the case for a franchise that panics every 3 seasons and trades youth for overpaid vets.

    Again, the Knicks do not develop players.

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    Knicks don't move at rest of the NBA speed I don't mean on court I mean trades drafts fa there is no urgency even when they were chasing KD/Kyrie I didn't see any urgency even trade deadlines or draft nights nothing happens. This work ethic of their won't change until Dolan and his buddies stop deciding who should run Knicks.

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    Iggy with 36 tonight for Westchester: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1qSXEcFcrc

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    If the Knicks have a legit star PG like Cole, there is no reason why guys like Randle and Portis can't stay. I think Randle's issues can be fixed if he doesn't handle the ball so much. He is not a point forward. I'm not against making a trade if it gets us another star. Would love to see AD here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garrett2010 View Post
    If the Knicks have a legit star PG like Cole, there is no reason why guys like Randle and Portis can't stay. I think Randle's issues can be fixed if he doesn't handle the ball so much. He is not a point forward. I'm not against making a trade if it gets us another star. Would love to see AD here.
    Spacing... Randle's a 26mpg bench guy on a good team.

    Portis is just awful on both ends, not sure why you'd want him back. he' makes losing plays time and time again. he can hit a 3 but thats about it, honestly preffered Kornet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bivory View Post
    Iggy with 36 tonight for Westchester: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l1qSXEcFcrc
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    I think you take an honest look at the Knicks and you have the following...

    Potential Stars:
    RJ

    Potential Bonafide (top 10-13 at their position) Starters:
    Mitch

    Moderate-Strong Role/Bench Players:
    Frank
    Knox

    End of the bench:
    Dotson

    Unknown:
    DSJ

    Taking a look at all that, and you can see this team is still pretty far away. They HAVE to hit on the draft pick this year and add someone (like Cole) to plug next to RJ.
    PG: Cole
    SG: RJ
    SF: Needed
    PF: Needed
    C: Mitch

    Bench:
    Frank (Backup G/Defensive specialist)
    Knox (3/4 swing player)

    Looking at that team and thinking about honest potentials, even with a hit in the draft this upcoming year, the Knicks are still probably an all star 3/4 (one that can shoot) away from serious contention. This is where that cap space is going to have to be used. Is that player out there? Will they come? Who knows.
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    Quote Originally Posted by HeartOfStarks View Post
    Iím mostly with you but Iíd bring back Morris before Portis if the money was right.

    And I donít really like Porter or Gallo here unless there are no better options. Iíd personally rather sign a Joe Harris but I guess thatís splitting hairs a bit. I know Porter can shoot & Gallo used to get to the line, but I donít follow either closely and to my knowledge theyíre both just meh vets. Hoping we can do better and as much as Frankís shooting percentages and aggression need serious improvement, heís still a guy who seems to have a consistent impact on the teamís plus/minus. But if he canít be at least somewhat of a scoring threat who can give you 10 ppg on close to 45% from the field then yeah heís a bench player imo. Weíll see what develops this season.

    Joe Harris on like a one year deal interests me a bit tho.
    Yea I like Joe Harris and it was definitely more of a comment on the type of player. not sure how we get him tho. Danilo is a smart vet, and can play stretch 4. But sure he's always hurt, I'm open to better options, but not seeing a lot

    Otto is not worth the money he is making now but next year he can be had for much cheaper and I think is a solid 3 and D guy. Still only 26. Just looking at the list right now not seeing a lot of FAs that fit the mold. We'll need to fill these holes with a trade if you want someone else.

    And Portis, well I disagree with nycerican on this I don't think he's garbage. I think 10-15 mins off the bench he can play the stretch 4, he can get buckets. And I say him over Morris for the money. I don't think Morris is in any way feasible for us. The guy is stat padding for what will likely be his last long term fat deal. I don't see it. But if Randle is gone, definitely worth considering.

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    Quote Originally Posted by 5+7=DYNASTY!!! View Post
    I think you take an honest look at the Knicks and you have the following...

    Potential Stars:
    RJ

    Potential Bonafide (top 10-13 at their position) Starters:
    Mitch

    Moderate-Strong Role/Bench Players:
    Frank
    Knox

    End of the bench:
    Dotson

    Unknown:
    DSJ

    Taking a look at all that, and you can see this team is still pretty far away. They HAVE to hit on the draft pick this year and add someone (like Cole) to plug next to RJ.
    PG: Cole
    SG: RJ
    SF: Needed
    PF: Needed
    C: Mitch

    Bench:
    Frank (Backup G/Defensive specialist)
    Knox (3/4 swing player)

    Looking at that team and thinking about honest potentials, even with a hit in the draft this upcoming year, the Knicks are still probably an all star 3/4 (one that can shoot) away from serious contention. This is where that cap space is going to have to be used. Is that player out there? Will they come? Who knows.
    Yup pretty much what I was getting at as well

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    Dsj looks like raymond felton now smh...

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    Quote Originally Posted by TakeAnotherL View Post
    Dsj looks like raymond felton now smh...
    Nooooo

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    Quote Originally Posted by TakeAnotherL View Post
    Dsj looks like raymond felton now smh...
    I wish. Felton is the best PG we had this decade
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    Quote Originally Posted by 5+7=DYNASTY!!! View Post
    I think you take an honest look at the Knicks and you have the following...

    Potential Stars:
    RJ

    Potential Bonafide (top 10-13 at their position) Starters:
    Mitch

    Moderate-Strong Role/Bench Players:
    Frank
    Knox

    End of the bench:
    Dotson

    Unknown:
    DSJ

    Taking a look at all that, and you can see this team is still pretty far away. They HAVE to hit on the draft pick this year and add someone (like Cole) to plug next to RJ.
    PG: Cole
    SG: RJ
    SF: Needed
    PF: Needed
    C: Mitch

    Bench:
    Frank (Backup G/Defensive specialist)
    Knox (3/4 swing player)

    Looking at that team and thinking about honest potentials, even with a hit in the draft this upcoming year, the Knicks are still probably an all star 3/4 (one that can shoot) away from serious contention. This is where that cap space is going to have to be used. Is that player out there? Will they come? Who knows.
    I think this is pretty spot on.
    Last edited by smood999; 11-20-2019 at 12:16 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    I wish. Felton is the best PG we had this decade
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