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  1. #1
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    Had KP remained with us.

    Hey Knicks Family. KP had he wanted to stay with the team, knowing what we know now, how would the team look today ? No reason to get mad at each other as this is purely speculation as there is no proof what ever for or against the conjecture you propose. Just consider the implications of what the cap would be with him and Hardaway and Lee. We can't for this exercise speculate they were moved separately. And we still drafted RJ. Maybe this way we can get KP out of system

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    Quote Originally Posted by flimflamman View Post
    Hey Knicks Family. KP had he wanted to stay with the team, knowing what we know now, how would the team look today ? No reason to get mad at each other as this is purely speculation as there is no proof what ever for or against the conjecture you propose. Just consider the implications of what the cap would be with him and Hardaway and Lee. We can't for this exercise speculate they were moved separately. And we still drafted RJ. Maybe this way we can get KP out of system
    I would say he would have still sat out most of the season. Maybe played some end of the year games just to break a sweat.

    Let's say lottery we still landed at 3. Still drafted RJ.

    We could have gone hard after Brogdon or Russell. Probably still added Braz and someone like Taj or Portis, potentially even acquiring Morris somehow. We could even have potentially traded Lee/THjr for a better fitting backup PF/C.


    Brogdon/RJ/Morris/KP/Mitch with decent and versatile bench squad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnicksFan4Years View Post
    I would say he would have still sat out most of the season. Maybe played some end of the year games just to break a sweat.

    Let's say lottery we still landed at 3. Still drafted RJ.

    We could have gone hard after Brogdon or Russell. Probably still added Braz and someone like Taj or Portis, potentially even acquiring Morris somehow. We could even have potentially traded Lee/THjr for a better fitting backup PF/C.


    Brogdon/RJ/Morris/KP/Mitch with decent and versatile bench squad.
    But then we didnt get to draft Cole Anthony next draft and become a contender for 15 years

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    Quote Originally Posted by KnickNyKnick View Post
    But then we didnt get to draft Cole Anthony next draft and become a contender for 15 years
    Dude that would already be a contender in the East this year as long as chemistry came together. We would still have been hampered by Fiz though.

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    Yeah a healthy line up of
    Mitch
    KP
    RJ
    Frank

    Seems pretty easy to fill in around. You just get the best 1 2 or 3 and you are in the playoffs easy. Eventually get a true PG and let Trier be the 6th man he was meant to be. Knox could get time at the 3 and 4. Hope after some success a star wants to come.

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    Again, let me preface this with: No player outside of Michael Jordan in his prime is untradeable. Having said that, the sheer arrogance and stupidity that Mills & Perry, Dumb & Dumber, thinking that superstars would line up to sign with the Knicks who have not won a Championship since Phil Jackson came off the bench as a player is comical.

    Rule #1 in the NBA: NEVER...NEVER EVER show your hand early. The Knicks did it in 2010 and struck out. They struck out AGAIN in 2019.

    Now that's been said...

    Think about this line up:

    PG: Frank Ntilikina
    SG: Tim Hardaway JR
    C: Robinson
    PF: Porzingis
    SF: RJ Barrett

    Bench: Knox, Dotson...

    That would make the Knicks, one of the youngest teams in the NBA. Not sure how many wins they'd get but it's young and exciting.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dr. Detfink View Post
    Again, let me preface this with: No player outside of Michael Jordan in his prime is untradeable. Having said that, the sheer arrogance and stupidity that Mills & Perry, Dumb & Dumber, thinking that superstars would line up to sign with the Knicks who have not won a Championship since Phil Jackson came off the bench as a player is comical.

    Rule #1 in the NBA: NEVER...NEVER EVER show your hand early. The Knicks did it in 2010 and struck out. They struck out AGAIN in 2019.

    Now that's been said...

    Think about this line up:

    PG: Frank Ntilikina
    SG: Tim Hardaway JR
    C: Robinson
    PF: Porzingis
    SF: RJ Barrett

    Bench: Knox, Dotson...

    That would make the Knicks, one of the youngest teams in the NBA. Not sure how many wins they'd get but it's young and exciting.
    yea thats a great young lineup, not to mention we'd still have $40m in cap space. with that team a guy like Payton actually makes some sense since you have KP & THJR who can shoot. Of course Brogs & Dlo would have been options as well.

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    Anyone catch the Warriors/Mavs game last night? Well, the Mavs gave the Warriors a 20 point butt whuppin' but that didn't stop Dray and Klay (from the bench in street clothes) from talkin' trash to KP who dropped 18/6/4 blocks.

    The Dallas Mavs are 3 games from the #1 seed. 1 game difference from the #2 seed. While his FG% continues to get better, he averaged 18.9 points/rebounds 10.6/3 blocks in the last 10 games. 5 of which were without Doncic.

    I won't stop re-emphasizing how badly Mills and Perry underestimated Carlisle's tutelage and Doncic's maturation as a franchise leader. Neither of those future picks look like a lottery pick. Ok, fine. Trade KP but again, they didn't have to do it before the All-Star Break nor take the first deal that came across their table. Who cares if KP's brother was a dog barking, the contract stood till the end of the season.

    Now, the Knicks have Dennis "Broken LAME" Smith JR or the guy that Lebron James said, "The Knicks should have drafted him...." 2 Future late first round picks. Maybe Perry can draft 8 more forwards with all the additional picks.

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    Quote Originally Posted by flimflamman View Post
    Hey Knicks Family. KP had he wanted to stay with the team, knowing what we know now, how would the team look today ? No reason to get mad at each other as this is purely speculation as there is no proof what ever for or against the conjecture you propose. Just consider the implications of what the cap would be with him and Hardaway and Lee. We can't for this exercise speculate they were moved separately. And we still drafted RJ. Maybe this way we can get KP out of system
    IDK, Our best player pre trade was Timmy, so do we still finish last? Probably so yea we still get RJ.

    KP did ask for a trade but now the truth out, put yourself in his shoes? Your the franchise and prior to the season Knicks tried to trade him three times that we know about for Jackson, Mitchell, and Fox, then tried to include him for AD.

    I'd ask for a trade also, and maybe he's smarter than I thought and saw how Fiz was coaching or not coaching, and Mills well his history speaks volumes.

    How would the team look today? That ship sailed already.

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    In the end of the day, we gave away an all star level player, and didnít get one back

    So you have to hope we sign one with Cap we saved, or draft one with a few late first round picks

    And in the process, made the team look even more pathetic and dysfunctional to the rest of the league then we already looked

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadyOne View Post
    In the end of the day, we gave away an all star level player, and didnít get one back

    So you have to hope we sign one with Cap we saved, or draft one with a few late first round picks

    And in the process, made the team look even more pathetic and dysfunctional to the rest of the league then we already looked
    And still keep those ppl around giving them free reign to make trades at deadline

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    Had KP stayed with us, he would have demanded to be traded at some point this season. Based on the summer values for allstars, the Knicks would have gotten a much better haul though! Knicks played their cards way too soon. Was it necessary to trade KP? Probably. Did it have to be so fast? Absolutely not.

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    The real question is had Knicks hired a real team president instead of Mills would KP be still here?

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheetos185 View Post
    The real question is had Knicks hired a real team president instead of Mills would KP be still here?

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    Don't do this to yourself. Very unhealthy.
    Just let the cognitive dissonance set in. Hell, they even gave you a reason, KP demanded a trade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SK6 View Post
    Don't do this to yourself. Very unhealthy.
    Just let the cognitive dissonance set in. Hell, they even gave you a reason, KP demanded a trade.
    Watching the Knicks is very unhealthy. Has been for years. If only I could cancel MSG without losing the Yes Network.

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