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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    Yes and no. Some teams develop that nasty persona, some just have some nasty players.

    The Steelers for decades took pride in out-physicalling and out-hitting their opponents.
    Eh....every team has dirty players. Just like every team has players that aren't legally clean. It's a matter of getting caught or being overt IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    I do feel that the takedown alone wasn't terrible, but based on the way Mason reacted there was a lot of things going into this IMO. Doesn't have to be looking for something. Could just have been the straw that broke the camels back. He took him down slow sure, but he kept twisting him down long after the ball was gone hand hit mason's head to the ground.
    Sure but the twist could also have been to make sure he didn't land on him and draw the flag.

    Either way, do you agree that Rudolph didn't handle the whole thing ideally? That he should get a penalty for trying to rip an opponents helmet off?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    Sure but the twist could also have been to make sure he didn't land on him and draw the flag.

    Either way, do you agree that Rudolph didn't handle the whole thing ideally? That he should get a penalty for trying to rip an opponents helmet off?
    Of course Rudolph handled it poorly, and he should be fined (based in past precedent) very heavily.

    But it's not like Rudolph randomly did this. Something happened that triggered him. Who knows what it was. Maybe it was something that was said, maybe it's the visual we see of the twisting down, maybe it the the culmination of all the stuff that happened in the game. We don't know. But something triggered him to do something to instigate a fight.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    Eh....every team has dirty players. Just like every team has players that aren't legally clean. It's a matter of getting caught or being overt IMO.
    Yes, but some teams have a history of taking pride in a physical style and some teams don't. Back in the day, teams that played outdoors in north eastern areas tended to develop that attitude, and their fans celebrate it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    Yes, but some teams have a history of taking pride in a physical style and some teams don't. Back in the day, teams that played outdoors in north eastern areas tended to develop that attitude, and their fans celebrate it.
    Ok well physical style and dirty aren't the same thing. (Not saying the Steelers haven't had dirty players)

    I would say the NE as a whole has a bit of that pride because, especially outside of the New England/New York City, it's a very industrial mentality. Blue Collar. Go to the factory, punch the card, get beat up, go home, do it again, don't complain.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    Of course Rudolph handled it poorly, and he should be fined (based in past precedent) very heavily.

    But it's not like Rudolph randomly did this. Something happened that triggered him. Who knows what it was. Maybe it was something that was said, maybe it's the visual we see of the twisting down, maybe it the the culmination of all the stuff that happened in the game. We don't know. But something triggered him to do something to instigate a fight.
    Maybe he was just mad bc he played like garbage.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    Of course Rudolph handled it poorly, and he should be fined (based in past precedent) very heavily.

    But it's not like Rudolph randomly did this. Something happened that triggered him. Who knows what it was. Maybe it was something that was said, maybe it's the visual we see of the twisting down, maybe it the the culmination of all the stuff that happened in the game. We don't know. But something triggered him to do something to instigate a fight.
    Or maybe it was him having a really bad game. Just like Rudolph's actions didn't excuse Garrett's, neither does anything earlier in the game excuse Rudolphs. But none of that forgives any of their behavior. The only issue I had was that Rudolph didn't get a penalty and he should have.

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    Who knows what triggered Rudolph? How bout he just cost his team a chance at a comeback with another pick, had been hit hard all game long, and he's running what he knows is just a garbage time play to finish it out....and legal or not, Garrett played like the outcome was still in question.

    Not sure what some of you are arguing...Rudolph was wrong, Garrett was more wrong. One doesn't excuse the other.
    gotta love 'referential' treatment

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    Ok well physical style and dirty aren't the same thing. (Not saying the Steelers haven't had dirty players)

    I would say the NE as a whole has a bit of that pride because, especially outside of the New England/New York City, it's a very industrial mentality. Blue Collar. Go to the factory, punch the card, get beat up, go home, do it again, don't complain.
    Sure ... my point was that physical history is what causes other teams' fans to call a team dirty (not just individual players). The Seahawks players have changed a lot over the last 10 years, but they do that extra curricular thing so they get that "dirty" rep too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    Not sure what some of you are arguing...Rudolph was wrong, Garrett was more wrong. One doesn't excuse the other.
    That's a fine summary.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    Or maybe it was him having a really bad game. Just like Rudolph's actions didn't excuse Garrett's, neither does anything earlier in the game excuse Rudolphs. But none of that forgives any of their behavior. The only issue I had was that Rudolph didn't get a penalty and he should have.
    So you don't take issue with Rudolph per say, you take issue with the NFL and not handing what you judge as just punishment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    Who knows what triggered Rudolph? How bout he just cost his team a chance at a comeback with another pick, had been hit hard all game long, and he's running what he knows is just a garbage time play to finish it out....and legal or not, Garrett played like the outcome was still in question.

    Not sure what some of you are arguing...Rudolph was wrong, Garrett was more wrong. One doesn't excuse the other.
    It's an all around chicken and egg no?

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    There was absolutely no need or point in taking Rudolph to the ground. It was pointless. It was extra, and should have been a penalty. Plays like that have been called for a few years now. When the QB releases the ball, and you can count to 2 before the QB is "taken to the ground" a flag is thrown. It doesn't matter if Garret couldn't tell he had released the ball (which is HIGHLY UNLIKELY) since he threw it right by his face. In addition to that... it was the last 10 seconds of the game... Garret was TRYING to hit him. WANTING to take him to the ground.

    Mason took exception to it. He was frustrated and his team had lost. There's a reason that in bball, coaches pull their starters at the end of the game. Garret has to be pulled or informed to quit. He had no business taking Rudolph down. Rudolph then threw gas on the fire by idiotically pulling at his helmet. Garret then doubled that idiocracy by ripping the helmet off of Rudolph's head... in the process dragging him off the ground. Then he SWUNG THE HELMET AT HIS HEAD? F - that...

    Rudolph deserves a fine for his actions. He was mad, and reacted like an idiot. Pouncey deserves a couple games (3 is fair) for his reaction. Garret deserves 10... maybe more. He actually assaulted someone with a weapon on live television. He's had several encounters before... crack down on this crap. Coaches need to start taking credit for not pulling starters when the game is over.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    So you don't take issue with Rudolph per say, you take issue with the NFL and not handing what you judge as just punishment.
    I think Rudolph did wrong and deserves a penalty, I think him acting like he's the better person after the game is pretty ******, but no I don't have a personal issue with him. And yes, I have an issue with the NFL screwing up the punishment and hope they fix it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Obabikon View Post
    There was absolutely no need or point in taking Rudolph to the ground. It was pointless. It was extra, and should have been a penalty. Plays like that have been called for a few years now. When the QB releases the ball, and you can count to 2 before the QB is "taken to the ground" a flag is thrown. It doesn't matter if Garret couldn't tell he had released the ball (which is HIGHLY UNLIKELY) since he threw it right by his face. In addition to that... it was the last 10 seconds of the game... Garret was TRYING to hit him. WANTING to take him to the ground.

    Mason took exception to it. He was frustrated and his team had lost. There's a reason that in bball, coaches pull their starters at the end of the game. Garret has to be pulled or informed to quit. He had no business taking Rudolph down. Rudolph then threw gas on the fire by idiotically pulling at his helmet. Garret then doubled that idiocracy by ripping the helmet off of Rudolph's head... in the process dragging him off the ground. Then he SWUNG THE HELMET AT HIS HEAD? F - that...

    Rudolph deserves a fine for his actions. He was mad, and reacted like an idiot. Pouncey deserves a couple games (3 is fair) for his reaction. Garret deserves 10... maybe more. He actually assaulted someone with a weapon on live television. He's had several encounters before... crack down on this crap. Coaches need to start taking credit for not pulling starters when the game is over.
    Stop going back to the clean hit and trying to justify it. Garrett's reason for taking Rudolph down was the lack of a whistle being blown. It wasn't dirty at all.

    Rudolph should have been ejected from the game ... so he should probably get a game suspension now.

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