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    Quote Originally Posted by HeartOfStarks View Post
    You guys are posting vids of a few game sample size with Deni shooting better saying he’s improved so much...

    In his 10 games in Eurocup this year Hayes is shooting 39% from three on over 4 attempts per game. And oh yeah he’s a better off the dribble/step back 3 point shooter than he is at catch and shoot, which should be easier to improve on.

    Also shooting 46% from the field on over 10 attempts a game, all against grown men as a 19 year old. Obi is a grown man playing against kids.

    Hayes’ free throw % is also 91% this season so unfortunately it appears the numbers don’t line up with your position on him.
    I did say hayes had the better ceiling but he needs to go to a team that fits him

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    Quote Originally Posted by east fb knicks View Post
    I did say hayes had the better ceiling but he needs to go to a team that fits him
    Well Hayes fits here. He brings a lot of what we’ve been lacking.

    Hayes-Booker-Bridges-Oubre-Ayton is also potentially good.

    Hayes-Graham-MilesBridges is potentially a start of something.

    Hayes-Beal-Rui...

    Hayes-Kennard-Blake-Wood

    He works on a lot of teams if he pans out.

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    Hayes can play. Good size, good handle, good playmaker, can create, can shoot off dribble

    If his outside shot was better, he would be going at the top for sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeartOfStarks View Post
    Well Hayes fits here. He brings a lot of what we’ve been lacking.

    Hayes-Booker-Bridges-Oubre-Ayton is also potentially good.

    Hayes-Graham-MilesBridges is potentially a start of something.

    Hayes-Beal-Rui...

    Hayes-Kennard-Blake-Wood

    He works on a lot of teams if he pans out.
    Here sure I mean if he fixes his shot sure if we don't get lamelo we might take him id prefer cole or hali but whatever

    Pho makes no sense pho is going 3 or 4 bridges is not that great and oubre is going to be a free agent rubio might not be great but they just signed him they are set at guard now i could see them taking lamelo but not hayes

    Put it like this imo ther draft board probably looks like this

    Edwards
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    Deni
    Obi

    Cha just signed rozier and Graham is also small he's really a pg plus cha desperately needs bigs

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garrett2010 View Post
    This is why we need to trade up the Clippers pick. Can you imagine if we came away from the draft with Deni + Cole/Lewis?
    Exactly! I'd rather have that than LeMelo for sure

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeartOfStarks View Post
    Well Hayes fits here. He brings a lot of what we’ve been lacking.

    Hayes-Booker-Bridges-Oubre-Ayton is also potentially good.

    Hayes-Graham-MilesBridges is potentially a start of something.

    Hayes-Beal-Rui...

    Hayes-Kennard-Blake-Wood

    He works on a lot of teams if he pans out.
    None of those teams look better on paper as Cole, RJ, Deni, Randle, Mitch

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    Quote Originally Posted by east fb knicks View Post
    Here sure I mean if he fixes his shot sure if we don't get lamelo we might take him id prefer cole or hali but whatever

    Pho makes no sense pho is going 3 or 4 bridges is not that great and oubre is going to be a free agent rubio might not be great but they just signed him they are set at guard now i could see them taking lamelo but not hayes

    Put it like this imo ther draft board probably looks like this

    Edwards
    Balll
    Deni
    Obi

    Cha just signed rozier and Graham is also small he's really a pg plus cha desperately needs bigs
    Graham is small and Hayes is 6’5 they’d fit fine

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    Quote Originally Posted by HeartOfStarks View Post
    Graham is small and Hayes is 6’5 they’d fit fine
    True but they could fit but again cha needs big they'd love wiseman

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knicks Boogie View Post
    None of those teams look better on paper as Cole, RJ, Deni, Randle, Mitch
    Hayes, Booker, Bridges, Oubre, Ayton doesn’t look better on paper?

    There’s 3 guys there that are significantly better than anyone on that roster you have us sending out there. And Bridges is a solid defensive role player. Let’s call Hayes/Cole a wash right now (even though Hayes will likely go higher, and I think he’s better)

    So how is that not “better on paper”?

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadyOne View Post
    Hayes can play. Good size, good handle, good playmaker, can create, can shoot off dribble

    If his outside shot was better, he would be going at the top for sure
    The good thing is one of either LaMelo, Hayes or Deni hopefully are there for the Knicks.
    All of these guys have high ceilings and have good feels for the game.

    I think if the Knicks come away with at least 1 of those guys fans should be very happy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SK6 View Post
    The good thing is one of either LaMelo, Hayes or Deni hopefully are there for the Knicks.
    All of these guys have high ceilings and have good feels for the game.

    I think if the Knicks come away with at least 1 of those guys fans should be very happy.
    Agreed. I’d be happy with that

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knicks Boogie View Post
    Exactly! I'd rather have that than LeMelo for sure
    And it would cost a lot more to trade up for LaMelo than for Cole/Lewis.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Knicks Boogie View Post
    None of those teams look better on paper as Cole, RJ, Deni, Randle, Mitch
    I would take Phoenix’s young core as is in a heartbeat. I don’t think the Knicks have anyone as good as Ayton or Booker.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smood999 View Post
    I would take Phoenix’s young core as is in a heartbeat. I don’t think the Knicks have anyone as good as Ayton or Booker.
    Booker, absolutely.

    Ayton though? Is Mitch that far off? I’d give the slight edge to Ayton based on his huge offensive production, but are the Suns really better running their offense through him? And Mitch’s defense is miles ahead of Ayton’s.

    And to add to your point. Oubre and Mikal Bridges are also better than anybody on our team not named Mitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bubba313 View Post
    Booker, absolutely.

    Ayton though? Is Mitch that far off? I’d give the slight edge to Ayton based on his huge offensive production, but are the Suns really better running their offense through him? And Mitch’s defense is miles ahead of Ayton’s.

    And to add to your point. Oubre and Mikal Bridges are also better than anybody on our team not named Mitch.
    Ayton is coming around nicely. His touch around the hoop and mid-range got so much smoother.

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