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  1. #5206
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bivory View Post
    You and many others did. Uh, you don't remember all that craziness you and so many others were talking about how "you thought DSj was gonna make a leap" last yr, and how Frank was drafted to be our PG but couldn't hang. Knicks thought Payton, DSj or Frank would step up but none of them did.

    Btw, Haliburton is a better passer than Hayes imo. Hali can use his off hand whereas Hayes is stuck when going right
    As I said, I thought he could be an answer. But didnít think he was for sure. Mentioned it already, yup, wrong, no shame saying it. If it was easy, teams would never make mistakes. Thatís not saying itís a done deal. I know who I did want, though, and I wish we had him now.

    Gotta get fixed for sure. I donít see any reason why Hayes is any less a prospect than the other guys

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadyOne View Post
    As I said, I thought he could be an answer. But didnít think he was for sure. Mentioned it already, yup, wrong, no shame saying it. If it was easy, teams would never make mistakes. Thatís not saying itís a done deal. I know who I did want, though, and I wish we had him now.

    Gotta get fixed for sure. I donít see any reason why Hayes is any less a prospect than the other guys
    Not sure who's a bigger prospect because Im not a scout but Hali shoots it from deeeeep, shows great vision, and leadership . Cole is a flat out scorer who can put up 10 or 12pts next yr if he gets time. I dont know why but Hayes honestly looks like he could have to sit and learn a bit more. Im not sure why it LOOKS that way but I could see him being a little hesitant and unsure and maybe taking a bit longer to develop which isnt the worst thing in the world but Im just sayin.

    Hali will drop that 3 in your eye tomorrow and hit you with a magic johsnon no look on the next play. Ok, that's it. If no LaMelo and we pick a PG...Im back on the Hali band wagon..lol
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    Cole and hali aint gonna be instant stars either but from day one they can atleast hit open 3s and in coles case off the dribble too

    Hayes is not physically ready he struggled vs stronger defenders and he doesnít have any burst

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    Would've been interesting to see a Harper Hali backcourt in SL. One scout said it was a minor miracle that Hali got to 6.5 asts a game due to the awful team shooting stats. Kid can play
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bivory View Post
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    Play maker??? What the hell is todays playmaker? A guy who comes off a pick and roll and knows which guy to pass it to?? That's what Hayes and Hali are except Hali can shoot. Hayes is not beating anyone off the dribble and creating a shot like I THOUGHT a playmaker did. He's just passing to the open guy after a pick. I guess that has value but im just not seeing "it" from Hayes.

    Btw, that push shot/set-shot sure hasn't hurt Curry very much. And just FYI...Hayes takes 2 Free Throws a game. That means he goes to the line once a game. You guys call that aggressive? I think Hayes needs more time. I would take Hali and Cole over him today.
    Hayes has way better handle, footwork, and savvy than Tyrese which allows him to create for himself at level much better than Tyrese can. He doesnít need to blow by defenders every time to create space.

    Hayes is a great shooter off the dribble as it is (3PT included), but right now he has struggled shooting 3s on C&S. He has the more difficult shot in his arsenal already, improving on C&S just seems like itíll take more reps and consistency based on his form and other shooting %s.

    Curry gets his shot off lightning quick and can shoot off the dribble with ease. Tyrese is nothing like Curry at all. I see Tyrese struggling to get his shot off in the NBA against longer/stronger defenders.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bivory View Post
    Not sure who's a bigger prospect because Im not a scout but Hali shoots it from deeeeep, shows great vision, and leadership . Cole is a flat out scorer who can put up 10 or 12pts next yr if he gets time. I dont know why but Hayes honestly looks like he could have to sit and learn a bit more. Im not sure why it LOOKS that way but I could see him being a little hesitant and unsure and maybe taking a bit longer to develop which isnt the worst thing in the world but Im just sayin.

    Hali will drop that 3 in your eye tomorrow and hit you with a magic johsnon no look on the next play. Ok, that's it. If no LaMelo and we pick a PG...Im back on the Hali band wagon..lol
    Put me on the record too..Iíve liked Hali all along. I have it Ball, Hayes, Hali, Lewis, Cole

    But any one of them is a more than logical pick IMO

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna View Post
    Hayes has way better handle, footwork, and savvy than Tyrese which allows him to create for himself at level much better than Tyrese can. He doesnít need to blow by defenders every time to create space.

    Hayes is a great shooter off the dribble as it is (3PT included), but right now he has struggled shooting 3s on C&S. He has the more difficult shot in his arsenal already, improving on C&S just seems like itíll take more reps and consistency based on his form and other shooting %s.

    Curry gets his shot off lightning quick and can shoot off the dribble with ease. Tyrese is nothing like Curry at all. I see Tyrese struggling to get his shot off in the NBA against longer/stronger defenders.



    Not sure too many PG's get much longer than 6 5' and Hali's shot is up and out pretty quickly considering it's a straight push. He may shoot from the hip but that push is quicker than it looks. I will say that I do see Hali having issues creating for himself but he makes up for it with other intangibles. Btw, I think he's probably the best leader and floor general of ALL of the PG's available.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bivory View Post
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    Not sure too many PG's get much longer than 6 5' and Hali's shot is up and out pretty quickly considering it's a straight push. He may shoot from the hip but that push is quicker than it looks. I will say that I do see Hali having issues creating for himself but he makes up for it with other intangibles. Btw, I think he's probably the best leader and floor general of ALL of the PG's available.
    For sure, but I donít really see him being better than just a solid player. I donít see anything special at all.

    Also if heís pushed more off-ball, his size is not as advantageous at the 2 especially considering his slight frame.

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    Quote Originally Posted by YoungStuna View Post
    For sure, but I donít really see him being better than just a solid player. I donít see anything special at all.

    Also if heís pushed more off-ball, his size is not as advantageous at the 2 especially considering his slight frame.
    All of a sudden SG's are body-ing people up? I was told PF's and C's don't even do that anymore and since when does a great shot an the ability to create for others not help playing SG? I wouldn't over think it and if we're picking 6th in the draft, I think a solid starter is a good find. I think Hali could be very solid and a high floor because of that deep J and vision in Pick and roll

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    All Iím saying, is that regardless of Hali being a star or not, PG or SG..

    At worst, he can hit an open shot, he can pass well, has length, and can defend

    Guys like that are valuable. Iíd sign up for one, rather than having to go out and pay for one

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bivory View Post
    All of a sudden SG's are body-ing people up? I was told PF's and C's don't even do that anymore and since when does a great shot an the ability to create for others not help playing SG? I wouldn't over think it and if we're picking 6th in the draft, I think a solid starter is a good find. I think Hali could be very solid and a high floor because of that deep J and vision in Pick and roll
    Hali at 6 or after makes a lot of sense to me for the same reasons. Heís also relatively bust proof to me due to all around game and Iíd be fine taking him there

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bivory View Post
    All of a sudden SG's are body-ing people up? I was told PF's and C's don't even do that anymore and since when does a great shot an the ability to create for others not help playing SG? I wouldn't over think it and if we're picking 6th in the draft, I think a solid starter is a good find. I think Hali could be very solid and a high floor because of that deep J and vision in Pick and roll
    No, but do you think Hali could guard someone like Edwards who is the same height but sits at 225 lbs? My point is that his size advantage is almost completely mitigated playing the 2 instead of PG.

    Iím not convinced Tyrese has a great shot (despite his numbers) until he can prove it in the NBA. If heís only a ~35% NBA 3PT shooter, his value sinks considerably IMO. Thatís a huge part of his value.
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    Not a fan of Haliburton. Too many flaws with this body, lack of penetrating ability, lack of isolation moves and funky looking jumper. Type of player who will be injury prone unless he changes his body. I don't see him being a legit starting PG. Most likely he'll be a shooting specialist and secondary ball handler off the bench.

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    Sam V. of the Athletic released his latest mock and here are some highlights...

    Edwards, Ball, and Wiseman are the top 3 picks.

    The Knicks do not make any draft trades.

    They take Toppin with the 8th pick and Nico with the 27th pick.

    Hayes goes 10th, Nesmith goes 11th

    Cole goes 13th and Lewis goes 14th

    Poku goes 18th (That's for you Starks lol)

    I don't love it. I want one of the top 3 PGs on the Knicks. Not a huge fan of Toppin. For some reason I am thinking this mock to be more realistic than other mocks I have seen.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Garrett2010 View Post
    Sam V. of the Athletic released his latest mock and here are some highlights...

    Edwards, Ball, and Wiseman are the top 3 picks.

    The Knicks do not make any draft trades.

    They take Toppin with the 8th pick and Nico with the 27th pick.

    Hayes goes 10th, Nesmith goes 11th

    Cole goes 13th and Lewis goes 14th

    Poku goes 18th (That's for you Starks lol)

    I don't love it. I want one of the top 3 PGs on the Knicks. Not a huge fan of Toppin. For some reason I am thinking this mock to be more realistic than other mocks I have seen.
    Letís hope thatís very inaccurate...

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