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View Poll Results: Who deserves a spot in the HOF?

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  • Dwight Evans

    1 25.00%
  • Steve Garvey

    0 0%
  • Tommy John

    1 25.00%
  • Don Mattingly

    1 25.00%
  • Marvin Miller

    1 25.00%
  • Thurman Munson

    2 50.00%
  • Dale Murphy

    2 50.00%
  • Dave Parker

    0 0%
  • Ted Simmons

    3 75.00%
  • Lou Whitaker

    3 75.00%
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  1. #16
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    Marvin should be a slam dunk among literally everyone, except some owners from that time. He did so much, it's insane he isn't in yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrench View Post
    I know Dale Murphy didn't have the long career but his peak is as good as anyone's in CF. Not sure how they can keep a 2x MVP out of the HoF.
    Same for mattingly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Wrench View Post
    I know Dale Murphy didn't have the long career but his peak is as good as anyone's in CF. Not sure how they can keep a 2x MVP out of the HoF.
    Do Juan Gonzalez and Roger Maris deserve to be in the Hall of Fame?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sick Of It All View Post
    Same for mattingly.
    Mattingly 100% didn't deserve his MVP

    How Henderson, Boggs, or Brett didn't get it over him is a shame, and it speaks to what the voters understood about baseball in 1985.

    Mattingly never had a season higher than 6th in rWAR (the season he did win he was 9th). And he had a short career at that.

    Mattingly isn't anywhere close to deserving. I am not convinced he's one of the 35 best first basemen ever, much less one of the 22 best (21 currently inducted).

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    Will Clark should get in before Mattingly (and there is no talk of that). Harold Baines is less deserving than both though.

    https://www.fangraphs.com/leaders.as...date=&enddate=

    "there's no scraps in my scrapbook"

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    I'd put in
    Palmerio
    Helton
    McGwire
    Hernandez
    Olerud
    Clark
    Tex
    McGriff
    Camili
    Hodges
    Before I'd put in Mattingly

    Compare Mattingly to Carlos Delgado's career and point to me who is more deserving.

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    Harold Baines ranks among right fielders (and that's generous to call him a right fielder)

    rWAR - 57th, tied with Juan Gonzalez and Magglio Ordonez
    WAR7 - 106th, between Joe Carter and Curt Walker (yea, I've never heard of him either)
    JAWS - 76th, between Carl Furrilo and Ken Griffey Sr

    So he's basically in the top 80 right fielders to ever play the game.

    Baines was the 26th Right Fielder to be elected to the Hall of Fame

    Tony LaRussa made a huge joke out of his baseball knowledge by forcing him to the Hall of Fame.

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    Harold Baines being in is such a joke.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    Marvin should be a slam dunk among literally everyone, except some owners from that time. He did so much, it's insane he isn't in yet.
    It's honestly embarrassing that he isn't. His resume for what he did for players is unbelievable and it's pretty shameful that they haven't acknowledged him for it.

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    Whitaker should be in as well. He didn't get many votes when he was on the ballot for whatever reason. Dwight Evans should have went in over Rice, so I would put him in as well. Simmons, Munson and John I could go either way.

    Murphy and Mattingly were very good players and fun to watch when I was a kid. They just didn't do it long enough though. It's too bad Mattingly had his back injury that sapped him of his power. I think had he stayed healthy he would have been a slam dunk.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    For those wanting stats and ranks per position

    These are incredibly weak options for the ballot, outside of Whitaker.

    Player - most played position - rWAR/rWAR average for their position - WAR7/WAR7 avg - JAWS/JAWS avg

    Dale Murphy - CF - 46.5/71.1 - 35th - 41.2/44.5 - 19th - 43.9/57.8 - 26th - 19 total Centerfielders in the Hall

    Lou Whitaker - 2B - 75.1/69.4 - 7th - 37.9/44.4 - 21st - 56.5/56.9 - 14th - 19 total second basemen in the Hall

    Dave Parker - RF - 40.1/71.5 - 52nd - 37.4/42.1 - 29th - 38.7/56.8 - 40th - 26 total rightfielders in the Hall

    Dwight Evans - RF - 67.1/71.5 - 15th - 37.3/42.1 - 30th - 52.2/56.8 - 16th - 26 total rightfielders in the Hall

    Thurman Munson - 46.1/54.3 - 17th - 37.0/35.1 - 8th - 41.6/44.7 - 13th - 15 total catchers in the Hall

    Don Mattingly - 42.4/66.8 - 39th - 35.7/42.7 - 33rd - 39.1/54.8 - 40th - 21 total First basemen in the Hall

    Ted Simmons - 50.3/54.3 - 11th - 34.8/35.1 - 15th - 42.6/44.7 - 11th - 15 total catchers in the Hall

    Tommy John - 61.5/73.2 - 57th - 34.6/49.9 - 164th - 48.0/61.5 - 86th - 68 total pitchers in the Hall

    Steve Garvey - 38.1/66.8 - 52nd - 28.8/42.7 - 54th - 33.4/54.8 - 53rd - 21 total first basemen in the Hall


    Should go in - Lou Whitaker
    I'd still probably vote for them, but they aren't locks - Dwight Evans, Thurman Munson, Ted Simmons
    Wouldn't be horrible if they went in, but I'd be against it - Dale Murphy
    Borderline out - Dave Parker, Don Mattingly, Tommy John
    Harold Baines/Jack Morris level joke if they go in - Steve Garvey
    The HOF has become a joke. It's to the point where a player that played long enough, and was considered good to very good, are now considered for the HOF.

    I was a huge HOF buff, and was able to tell people if a player was in the HOF or not just by their name. I have all the HOF Plaque Postcards. I sickens me that they are so lenient with their choices. I've become a HOF hater now. It's very sad.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thawv View Post
    The HOF has become a joke. It's to the point where a player that played long enough, and was considered good to very good, are now considered for the HOF.

    I was a huge HOF buff, and was able to tell people if a player was in the HOF or not just by their name. I have all the HOF Plaque Postcards. I sickens me that they are so lenient with their choices. I've become a HOF hater now. It's very sad.
    I think it's worth voting in some guys that were major compilers and played forever at a high level, but never at an elite level, like Jim Thome and Alan Trammell.

    Also, guys like Bert Blyleven who people who followed the game in the 70's and 80's didn't know what made him so special and dominant. He's arguably one of the 15-20 best pitchers ever, and he just now got inducted. And he only made 2 all-star teams.

    That said, Harold Baines shouldn't be in, nor should Morris. But it's also worth pointing out how many guys don't belong in that are in from previous generations. Especially the friends of Frisch. The Cardinals probably have the largest history of undeserving Hall of Famers, it's insane.

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    Jack Morris: Career 3.90 ERA
    Mike Flanagan: Career 3.90 ERA



    Future Hall of Shamers:
    (1) B.A.L.C.O. Barroids (2) Mark McJuicer (3) Jose Chem-seco (4) Rafael Palmeiroids (5) Ken Chem-initi (6) Jason Gi-andro (7) Ryan Fraud (8) Muscle Melk (9) Woman-Ram (10) Shammy Sosa (11) Roger Clear-mens (12) A-Roid (13) Ryan HGHoward

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodgerdave View Post

    Jack Morris: Career 3.90 ERA
    Mike Flanagan: Career 3.90 ERA


    Compare him to Dennis Martinez for a moment.

    and nobody would ever compare him to a Hall of Famer.

    I get the post-season, but it was literally a handful of games that he did (post-season ERA career 3.80 - team record 8-5 in 13 post-season starts)

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodgerdave View Post

    Jack Morris: Career 3.90 ERA
    Mike Flanagan: Career 3.90 ERA

    Iím not saying he belongs in, but why does he have that presence that he does? We are not talking about someone who played with the Yankees here. We are talking about someone who could have gotten as lost as Alan Trammell and Lou Whitaker did/have?

    Are you saying itís simply a handful of post season games? It takes more than that, no? Mickey Lollich from the same city has had quite a postseason resume, but isnít even in the same conversation.

    What is it that gave Jack Morris the respect he has?

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