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    Quote Originally Posted by dodgerdave View Post

    Last pitcher to throw 300+ innings: Steve Carlton (1980)
    Last pitcher to throw 290+ innings: Bert Blyleven (1985)
    Last pitcher to throw 280+ innings: Roger Clemens and Charlie Hough (1987)
    Last pitcher to throw 270+ innings: Randy Johnson (1999)
    Last pitcher to throw 260+ innings: Roy Halladay (2003)
    Last pitcher to throw 250+ innings: Justin Verlander (2011)
    Last pitcher to throw 240+ innings: David Price and Johnny Cueto (2014)
    Last pitcher to throw 230+ innings: David Price (2016)

    Please correct me if I'm wrong.
    Pathetic

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    Quote Originally Posted by dodgerdave View Post
    I've always wondered if the 1987 Dodgers are the last team to have three starters go 250+ innings.

    https://www.baseball-reference.com/teams/LAD/1987.shtml
    They are the last, I can confirm.

    It's been since 02 since two players on one team did it (D'Backs)
    Prior to the 87 Dodgers, it was 80 when a team had 3 pitchers do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thefeckcampaign View Post
    Pathetic
    What's pathetic was pitchers throwing 86 MPH throwing 250+ innings.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    They are the last, I can confirm.

    It's been since 02 since two players on one team did it (D'Backs)
    Prior to the 87 Dodgers, it was 80 when a team had 3 pitchers do that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    What's pathetic was pitchers throwing 86 MPH throwing 250+ innings.
    Itís pathetic to me how these supposed starters anymore can barely pitch 5 innings a game on average. They need to learn to pitch instead of just throwing. Just on entertainment value alone, this is a huge reason why these games drag on.

    They all are constantly trying to throw 90+ on what feels like every pitch. Which we all know leads them to running out of gas and then the pitching changes begin.

    If these pitchers learned to pitch instead of throw, these batters wouldnít be able to work the count like they do shortening their stay in the game. Of course, that leads to walks and Kís over hits and field outs too, which the latter has much more entertainment value.

    Then MLB likes to pretend they are trying to stop the changes by forcing pitchers to pitch 3 batters, changing the way game is played, and yet continues to encourage the changes by allowing teams to add yet another pitcher to the roster. How long until they add even more players?

    ďThese pitchers are paid so much money the teams need to protect their investmentĒ is something Iíve heard over & over again. How about these pitchers learn to protect themselves?

    With the attention span becoming shorter & shorter of the younger generation, the league should be encouraging the games to take less time and itís doing the exact opposite however they want to pretend otherwise.

    http://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/assets/49251..._1920-2013.png

    Soon we are going to see players jumping around on the field to celebrate a pitcher throwing a complete game.

    Iím realistic, having 2 relievers a game on average is acceptable. But when 2 pitching changes in one inning alone happens, adding between 6-9 minutes to the game with not even close to that amount of action, it turns people off.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thefeckcampaign View Post
    Itís pathetic to me how these supposed starters anymore can barely pitch 5 innings a game on average. They need to learn to pitch instead of just throwing. Just on entertainment value alone, this is a huge reason why these games drag on.

    They all are constantly trying to throw 90+ on what feels like every pitch. Which we all know leads them to running out of gas and then the pitching changes begin.

    If these pitchers learned to pitch instead of throw, these batters wouldnít be able to work the count like they do shortening their stay in the game. Of course, that leads to walks and Kís over hits and field outs too, which the latter has much more entertainment value.

    Then MLB likes to pretend they are trying to stop the changes by forcing pitchers to pitch 3 batters, changing the way game is played, and yet continues to encourage the changes by allowing teams to add yet another pitcher to the roster. How long until they add even more players?

    ďThese pitchers are paid so much money the teams need to protect their investmentĒ is something Iíve heard over & over again. How about these pitchers learn to protect themselves?

    With the attention span becoming shorter & shorter of the younger generation, the league should be encouraging the games to take less time and itís doing the exact opposite however they want to pretend otherwise.

    http://cdn3.vox-cdn.com/assets/49251..._1920-2013.png

    Soon we are going to see players jumping around on the field to celebrate a pitcher throwing a complete game.

    Iím realistic, having 2 relievers a game on average is acceptable. But when 2 pitching changes in one inning alone happens, adding between 6-9 minutes to the game with not even close to that amount of action, it turns people off.
    I understand that is your perspective. But understand that the guys today at throwing significantly harder and significantly better. Breaking pitches move way more, starters throw harder, and the bullpen isn't a bunch of failed starters stacked next to each other anymore, there are elite firemen back there. So once there is a sign of any trouble, managers go to those guys.

    It's not like this generation is filled with ******* who can't physically do it. It's that they are demonstratively more talented and there is more talent behind them. In the 80's, a team had 1-6 decent pitchers on the entire team, and a bunch of guys who would throw to contact and eat innings when those guys couldn't. It wasn't until the late 80's when valuable relievers started to come around. Then late 90's when starters started to become more focused on getting the 6 good innings, instead of trying to go 8 or 9 innings.

    It's just a different game.

    Babe Ruth didn't face curveballs or lefty specialists
    And Mike Trout doesn't face 84 MPH flat pitches in an environment where he is taught to hit the ball on the ground and sprint with his great speed.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    I understand that is your perspective. But understand that the guys today at throwing significantly harder and significantly better. Breaking pitches move way more, starters throw harder, and the bullpen isn't a bunch of failed starters stacked next to each other anymore, there are elite firemen back there. So once there is a sign of any trouble, managers go to those guys.

    It's not like this generation is filled with ******* who can't physically do it. It's that they are demonstratively more talented and there is more talent behind them. In the 80's, a team had 1-6 decent pitchers on the entire team, and a bunch of guys who would throw to contact and eat innings when those guys couldn't. It wasn't until the late 80's when valuable relievers started to come around. Then late 90's when starters started to become more focused on getting the 6 good innings, instead of trying to go 8 or 9 innings.

    It's just a different game.

    Babe Ruth didn't face curveballs or lefty specialists
    And Mike Trout doesn't face 84 MPH flat pitches in an environment where he is taught to hit the ball on the ground and sprint with his great speed.
    I donít necessarily believe they need to throw that hard. Changes of speed seems to be the real killer. I also donít think throwing to contact is necessarily bad. These batters having no shame in striking out anymore doesnít help.

    With the amount of leads I have seen blown by the bullpen, I donít necessarily consider all of these relievers to be elite, especially when Iím holding my breath when they come in.

    If this was the right way to play the game, they would not be losing the younger fans by the wayside as they are.
    Last edited by thefeckcampaign; 02-13-2020 at 03:23 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by thefeckcampaign View Post
    I donít necessarily believe they need to throw that hard. Changes of speed seems to be the real killer. I also donít think throwing to contact is necessarily bad. These batters having no shame in striking out anymore doesnít help.
    I believe both are existing because of additional information

    Home Runs are super valuable, strike outs aren't as bad as we once thought etc. That information has changed the way players are coached and approach the game.


    With the amount of leads I have seen blown by the bullpen, I donít necessarily consider all of these relievers to be elite, especially when Iím holding my breath when they come in.
    Blown leads are actually down in baseball compared to 30+ years ago

    In 2019
    When winning after the 7th inning, teams win 87.4% of the time
    When winning after the 8th inning, teams win 94.6% of the time

    In 1989
    When winning after the 7th inning, teams won 86.7% of the time
    When winning after the 8th inning, teams won 90.8% of the time

    It's clearly gotten better

    And if you go back further to 1969, when bullpens weren't exactly a big deal
    When winning after the 7th inning, teams won 85.9% of the time
    When winning after the 8th inning, teams won 90.1% of the time

    Bullpens are way better than they used to be, clearly.


    If this was the right way to play the game, they would not be losing the younger fans by the wayside as they are.
    Trevor Bauer summarized that better than anyone I've heard on the topic in years.

    Worth a listen. But marketing is the issue, not the way the game is played.
    https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/tre...s-01e0wtbmhhft
    Last edited by Jeffy25; 02-13-2020 at 04:11 PM.

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    Glad to see the Orioles continuing the push for last place. Two recent signings to compete for starts- Wade Leblanc and Tommy Milone- will both get lit up at OPACY, so let them start games for half of the year until Akin and Kremer are ready.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
    I believe both are existing because of additional information

    Home Runs are super valuable, strike outs aren't as bad as we once thought etc. That information has changed the way players are coached and approach the game.



    Blown leads are actually down in baseball compared to 30+ years ago

    In 2019
    When winning after the 7th inning, teams win 87.4% of the time
    When winning after the 8th inning, teams win 94.6% of the time

    In 1989
    When winning after the 7th inning, teams won 86.7% of the time
    When winning after the 8th inning, teams won 90.8% of the time

    It's clearly gotten better

    And if you go back further to 1969, when bullpens weren't exactly a big deal
    When winning after the 7th inning, teams won 85.9% of the time
    When winning after the 8th inning, teams won 90.1% of the time

    Bullpens are way better than they used to be, clearly.



    Trevor Bauer summarized that better than anyone I've heard on the topic in years.

    Worth a listen. But marketing is the issue, not the way the game is played.
    https://www.thebiglead.com/posts/tre...s-01e0wtbmhhft
    How about the total amount of blown leads?

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    Quote Originally Posted by thefeckcampaign View Post
    How about the total amount of blown leads?
    Not certain how I could sort that in that finder.

    But run scoring isn't really any more frequent/greater, and the number of come from behind victories has lowered, so I would presume that to also indicate there are fewer blown leads.

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