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    Jaylen Brown, Celtics Agree to 4-Year, $115M Contract Extension

    Why are we all pretending he can shoot?


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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    Based on the flurry or RFA deals I think itís a 100% lock the cap is going down next year.
    This. Teams get security of knowing they have guys signed when they might not be able to next summer, and players don't have to be afraid of the cap hit costing them offers. UFAs will probably still hit the market, but no one's going to spend on RFAs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by warfelg View Post
    Based on the flurry or RFA deals I think itís a 100% lock the cap is going down next year.
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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    Why are we all pretending he can shoot?


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    I donít think anyone is calling him a sniper but he shoots at a league average clip.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PAOboston View Post
    This is a fair deal. Heís an athletic wing who can defend and shoot the three with an improving offensive game. He had a really thought start last season with the bad injury that last until December and all the other stuff that was happening with the Cs. He was one of the Cs best player from December through the playoffs and his numbers during that stretch mirrored his 17-18 season. He also usually guards the best opposing wing player as well so heís incredibly valuable defensively.

    Considering he is just 23 I do not think he has finished improving. He has a very high ceiling. Question is whether he gets there and thatís what the Cs are betting on. Cs have made it clear that they are committed to the Jays (Brown and Tatum) at this point.

    Also seems like the writing is on the wall with Hayward. Best case scenario is he gets back to form and Cs deal him to help bolster their front court or he just plays out the season and opts out/enters a very weak FA class where he could cash in again. Curious if Indy would consider a Hayward for Turner swap since they just paid Sabonis as well. Cs get a big that fits, Indy gets another all star caliber player (if back to 100%) and a hometown guy to pair with Oladipo.


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    Quote Originally Posted by hugepatsfan View Post
    I donít think anyone is calling him a sniper but he shoots at a league average clip.
    He shoots a low 30% from 3 and they are all wide open.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    He shoots a low 30% from 3 and they are all wide open.


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    Jaylen Brown, Celtics Agree to 4-Year, $115M Contract Extension

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    um come again?
    Not sure what there is to explain. Someone was going to offer him the full max as an RFA next summer with a weak FA class. Heís 23, a good defender, and plays a premium position as a versatile wing with a high ceiling. If the Cs didnít pay him, someone else would have.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PAOboston View Post
    Not sure what there is to explain. Someone was going to offer him the full max as an RFA next summer with a weak FA class. Heís 23, a good defender, and plays a premium position as a versatile wing with a high ceiling. If the Cs didnít pay him, someone else would have.


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    He still hasnít shown he can do anything consistently and thereís literally zero reason to pay him now. He point blank isnít worth that contract. Heís also a RFA. You could have matched in the off-season. I doubt anyone would have offered him that type of money. Well never know but what we do know is this was premature. He hasnít earned it. Thus not fair. Itís an overpay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    He shoots a low 30% from 3 and they are all wide open.


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    This is inaccurate. He shoots 36.5% in his 3 year career. League average the last 3 years is 35.5%, 36.2% and 35.8%.

    The key for him is to not have a bad start like last year. He was dreadful to start the year, then sat out a few games with an injury. From December on last year he shot 37.8% after shooting 39.5% the year before. So as long as last yearís bad first month is an outlier and the rest of the last 2 years is more representative of who he is, heís pretty solidly a good shooter. And even if that bad stretch is recurring with overall streakiness, heís still about league average over the balance of his career.


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    Quote Originally Posted by TrueFan420 View Post
    He still hasnít shown he can do anything consistently and thereís literally zero reason to pay him now. He point blank isnít worth that contract. Heís also a RFA. You could have matched in the off-season. I doubt anyone would have offered him that type of money. Well never know but what we do know is this was premature. He hasnít earned it. Thus not fair. Itís an overpay.
    Iím not sure why you think it was premature and why you think he wouldnít get a big offer in FA. It was smart to lock him up now before the uncertainty of next summer. Thatís why all the other teams and agents rushed to get deals done now (Siakam/Hield). He would have likely gotten a full max offer sheet from someone. Cs got him on a good deal. Heís younger than both Siakam and Hield. Siakam right now is better but Brown is a better overall player than Hield. So he basically got the in between.

    He averages 14 ppg because thereís multiple mouths to feed in Boston. If Brown was playing on some Mickey Mouse team like the Suns or Cavaliers as a first or second option, heíd average 20 pts ppg and (would have likely developed much faster). The Cs are banking on him morphing into that type of player with more responsibility/opportunities/touches. The Cs believe heíll get there over the course of that contract.


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    Quote Originally Posted by PAOboston View Post
    Iím not sure why you think it was premature and why you think he wouldnít get a big offer in FA. It was smart to lock him up now before the uncertainty of next summer. Thatís why all the other teams and agents rushed to get deals done now (Siakam/Hield). He would have likely gotten a full max offer sheet from someone. Cs got him on a good deal. Heís younger than both Siakam and Hield. Siakam right now is better but Brown is a better overall player than Hield. So he basically got the in between.

    He averages 14 ppg because thereís multiple mouths to feed in Boston. If Brown was playing on some Mickey Mouse team like the Suns or Cavaliers as a first or second option, heíd average 20 pts ppg and (would have likely developed much faster). The Cs are banking on him morphing into that type of player with more responsibility/opportunities/touches. The Cs believe heíll get there over the course of that contract.


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    It was premature because they didnít have to offer him that money. They wouldnít lose him if they didnít want to because he was a RFA. There isnít as much available money next year and cap is likely to go down. Why itís an overpaid... thatís obvious. Heís been inconsistent.

    He averaged 13 and paying that money to a player putting up 20 on a **** team would be a bad move too. I love his potential. But itís not just points per game. He entire game is inconsistent. If he was an elite defender on the reg and a streaky scorer cause all the options i could understand that. But heís not that.

    You can rationalize the deal all you want. That doesnít make it fair. Even if he pans out and takes the next step. Doesnít make it fair. Just means the gamble paid off.

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    Man, imagine what the Celtics had and what they made of it. When you look at this contract I'm really glad the Clippers took the first chance they had to unload all those assets for a superstar. This looks like one of the worst contracts in the league which is saying a lot, but it might be close to market value. Even if you hit on all your draft picks, signing everyone will eventually bring you down. This might be the best example of that to date. The Celtics did sort of cash in with Kyrie but what other moves could they have made over the years with all those "assets"? They were in pretty much every rumor for what seemed like a decade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cracka2HI! View Post
    Man, imagine what the Celtics had and what they made of it. When you look at this contract I'm really glad the Clippers took the first chance they had to unload all those assets for a superstar. This looks like one of the worst contracts in the league which is saying a lot, but it might be close to market value. Even if you hit on all your draft picks, signing everyone will eventually bring you down. This might be the best example of that to date. The Celtics did sort of cash in with Kyrie but what other moves could they have made over the years with all those "assets"? They were in pretty much every rumor for what seemed like a decade.
    They are pretty justified in not it throwing any assets for the rumored players they were linked with. Butler/PG/Leonard/Davis all forced their way to other destinations and would not have stayed. Cs would have ended up with nothing and in a much worse spot right now.

    Cs did make all the right moves. They pulled the trigger on Kyrie. And they got Horford and Hayward in FA. The Hayward injury really derailed them. Thatís just bad luck. He was a top 25 player. Who knows how it would have been had that never happened. At this point they are better off committing to the young guys and keeping a core of Smart/Brown/Tatum while Hayward gets traded/comes off the books.


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    Gotta agree with TrueFan420 here. I know the cap wonít go down a ton but it could affect offers next summer. And since he woulda been a RFA, the Celtics could still go over to sign him after doing something else (assuming they have room). Also, what if he gets hurt? What if he takes steps back and isnít worth it after all? What if someone else steps up and Brown becomes a great trade chip before heís locked in? I remember when some team did this with Mike Dunleavey (I think) and people were saying how the team that did that was betting against themselves and now 4 or 5 teams did this very thing this year.

    And why would the cap going down affect things this much? Will none of these teams have cap room so they want to just finalize things now? Not really getting it but apparently itís the right thing to do?

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