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  1. #16
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    Itís because everyone hates the Lakers. So theyíre trying everything they can to brush them aside as LAís ďotherĒ team. Especially people who donít live in SoCal.

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    I don't think they'll win the title. Honestly I just can't wrap my head around that happening. I used to go to games at the now defunct Sports Arena, when the Clippers played in front of literally dozens of fans. That said, in a league where just about every team at the top regressed, the Clippers added Kawhi and Paul George to a 48 win team that beat Golden State twice on the road in the playoffs. With Durant. If your job was to make picks on that kind of stuff, who else you got?

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyRealist View Post
    Up there? Yes. Favorites in preseason over the Clippers? No way.
    Iím not counting the clippers out either but, Lebron at 100% is probably still the best player in the league (especially playoff time) and along with Davis I think they are the stronger pairing to Leonard and George who is still not ready to return.

    I know that the Clippers will likely be the best defensive squad but the Lakers with Lebron, Davis, Green, Howard, Bradley, McGee could be pretty dam good to.Kuzma and Cousins are out, but if and when Kuzma does come back I think the Lakers are just as much favs as the Clippers are if you think about it, it really comes down to who stays healthy imo.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smith&wesson View Post
    Iím not counting the clippers out either but, Lebron at 100% is probably still the best player in the league (especially playoff time) and along with Davis I think they are the stronger pairing to Leonard and George who is still not ready to return.

    I know that the Clippers will likely be the best defensive squad but the Lakers with Lebron, Davis, Green, Howard, Bradley, McGee could be pretty dam good to.Kuzma and Cousins are out, but if and when Kuzma does come back I think the Lakers are just as much favs as the Clippers are if you think about it, it really comes down to who stays healthy imo.
    I'd take Lebron and AD over Kawhi and PG, but at this point Kawhi is probably the best player in the league. Lebron doesn't have 100% anymore, and it shows defensively. I give it to Kawhi by a hair. And the Clippers supporting cast is better and more cohesive than the Lakers, until they prove otherwise. In a game of margins, I'll take the team with more continuity, less roster changes.

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    lol bcuz they have the best team in the league.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GREATNESS ONE View Post
    Itís because everyone hates the Lakers. So theyíre trying everything they can to brush them aside as LAís ďotherĒ team. Especially people who donít live in SoCal.
    lol has nothing do with anyone hating the Lakers. Clippers are that much better.

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    I was surprised that the Cousins injury didn't affect the Lakers odds at all. He was the only bench player on the Lakers with big upside. If anything, the Clippers were slight faves before and now they are only joint faves with the Lakers.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IndyRealist View Post
    I'd take Lebron and AD over Kawhi and PG, but at this point Kawhi is probably the best player in the league. Lebron doesn't have 100% anymore, and it shows defensively. I give it to Kawhi by a hair. And the Clippers supporting cast is better and more cohesive than the Lakers, until they prove otherwise. In a game of margins, I'll take the team with more continuity, less roster changes.
    Kawhiís best season statistically was last year and still didnít match Lebrons season last year. Plus Lebron had his first real injury last year and still put up 27 8&8. Leonardís assist numbers will never reach that, his defence is great but you have to keep in mind he sat over 20 games last year for load management. Lebron takes 20 games off last year maybe he doesnít get injured.

    I love kawhi and what he did for my raptors but he couldnít put up Lebron numbers in his best year while Lebron was having arguably his worst season since being a rookie.
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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDish87 View Post
    lol bcuz they have the best team in the league.
    With George out to start the season, and Kawhi will almost certainly do load management again, I donít expect the clippers have the best record. I think people are sleeping on the Lakers. If you look at their roster, thereís nothing spreading them apart from the clippers.

    A fully healthy and rested Lebron with Davis is a scary thought and a bunch of solid defenders in Green, Howard, Bradley, McGee, Iím not sure the Clippers are better even on paper.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smith&wesson View Post
    Kawhiís best season statistically was last year and still didnít match Lebrons season last year. Plus Lebron had his first real injury last year and still put up 27 8&8. Leonardís assist numbers will never reach that, his defence is great but you have to keep in mind he sat over 20 games last year for load management. Lebron takes 20 games off last year maybe he doesnít get injured.

    I love kawhi and what he did for my raptors but he couldnít put up Lebron numbers in his best year while Lebron was having arguably his worst season since being a rookie.
    You're going to see a lot more load management going forward for star players, because it works. NBA players phone in mid season games all the time because the schedule is too full. At the same time, for every game your guy phones in there's a game your guy gets easy numbers because the other team decided not to show up that night.

    Per game numbers don't mean much. Kawhi was more efficient on the same per minute scoring and was significantly ahead defensively. Yes Lebron gets more assists. He also had to. It's subjective as to which is better depending on how you value things. I'd take Kawhi.

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    Quote Originally Posted by smith&wesson View Post
    With George out to start the season, and Kawhi will almost certainly do load management again, I donít expect the clippers have the best record. I think people are sleeping on the Lakers. If you look at their roster, thereís nothing spreading them apart from the clippers.

    A fully healthy and rested Lebron with Davis is a scary thought and a bunch of solid defenders in Green, Howard, Bradley, McGee, Iím not sure the Clippers are better even on paper.
    agree that wont be a shock if LAC dont have best record. i dont even think the Lakers are a lock to have home court let alone be a serious title favorite. AD and Lebron are gonna miss plenty of games themselves and the rest of the team pretty much stinks outside of Kuzma

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    Quote Originally Posted by smith&wesson View Post
    Kawhiís best season statistically was last year and still didnít match Lebrons season last year. Plus Lebron had his first real injury last year and still put up 27 8&8. Leonardís assist numbers will never reach that, his defence is great but you have to keep in mind he sat over 20 games last year for load management. Lebron takes 20 games off last year maybe he doesnít get injured.

    I love kawhi and what he did for my raptors but he couldnít put up Lebron numbers in his best year while Lebron was having arguably his worst season since being a rookie.
    LeBron was also a one man team last year, whereas Kawhi had plenty of legitimately talented players in Siakam, Lowry, Gasol, Green, VaVleet and Ibaka.
    LeBron had to put up elite numbers for his team to have a chance. Kawhi did not.

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    ??? I'm seeing Lakers constantly propped up by national media types.

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDish87 View Post
    agree that wont be a shock if LAC dont have best record. i dont even think the Lakers are a lock to have home court let alone be a serious title favorite. AD and Lebron are gonna miss plenty of games themselves and the rest of the team pretty much stinks outside of Kuzma
    I canít disagree more.

    Lebron has been something of an iron man his entire career and last year was the first for him to miss significant time. So why are you assuming he will miss a ton of games when history indicates that hasnít ever been the case with him? You never know with injuries, but you make it seem like Lebron is an injury prone player and that he is not.

    The rest of the team pretty much stinks? Look at Howardís numbers on the hawks and hornets. He was still putting up elite rebounding and defensive numbers. Last season he was out so we cant really go by that but the last time he was healthy he was still a very productive defender and rebounder. Green is one of the best 3&D guys out there, who doesnít need the ball and was 2nd in the league for 3pt%. Avery Bradley is no slouch on the defensive end. Rondo provides leadership and play making, Kuzma will help once he returns. McGee has been a solid rim protector and rebounder as well. KCP and Caruso provide depth. To have that supporting cast around two players who you can make a case for being top 3 in the league is far from what you would describe as ďstinkingĒ infact other than the clippers who has a better 8-9 man rotation ? Even the clips are arguable.
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    ^^Ehh, time will tell of course, and while I definitely think they'll be at worst a 3 seed, I don't think they're gonna be as great as national media types seem to think. I'm not that high on Kuzma, and as for the rest, they're all specialists.

    I'd also need to see LBJ as still an elite force on defense. Won't dismiss the Lakers, but I have my reservations.

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