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  1. #1
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    Enough said and exactly how I feel.

    Interesting that some sell this spin that all of these redundant players are all about competion.
    NO!!! they want to play.

    And also, he indirectly tells the negative side effect of tanking,. The team looks lost with no direction. To bad both ideologies sell in this market

    Thanks Kenny for the reality check

    httpss://nypost.com/2019/10/05/kenny-smiths-advice-for-knicks-during-these-tough-times/

    If someone cares to make this link live please do
    Last edited by nicnac; 10-05-2019 at 11:20 PM.

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    can't really argue this but what if some of these guys net us value, picks etc in trades later on? the competition in practice is showing and bringing out the best in some of our guys, so far I like it.

    we have said this since FA, how will Fiz handle this roster......it's not a finished product and either were the Nets two years ago, Kenny didn't bring that up only last year, give us another year Kenny, this don't happen overnight.

    Kenny Smith is no longer surprised the Knicks are not a magnet for stars.

    Kevin Durant and Kyrie Irving choosing the Nets over the Knicks this summer would have “shocked me five years ago, but not anymore,’’ the TNT analyst and Queens native said.

    The current players, he said, aren’t aware of the history.

    “I don’t think they understand — there has to be reeducation to certain players about the Knicks that they are the biggest stage,’’ Smith told The Post. “There’s certain players who grew up not knowing Patrick Ewing played for the Knicks. They know Carmelo [Anthony], but not with a great history here. There’s a generation of players that don’t understand the magnitude of what being a Knick is.”

    As such, the Knicks didn’t hit a home run this summer.

    “I said on air it’s going to be an interesting summer because someone is not going to be able to make a splash,’’ Smith said. “There’s going to be teams that have to approach it a different way. It turned out to be New York. They weren’t able to land a guy or two who can change a franchise.’’

    Smith attended Knicks practice Friday in Tarrytown and was on hand for Saturday’s open scrimmage before 1,000 fans at Columbia University. Smith sat courtside with team brass as president Steve Mills’ guest.

    Smith, the broadcasting superstar and former standout point guard for the Rockets, is a longtime friend of Mills’. Two years ago, Smith interviewed for the Knicks general manager job that went to Scott Perry. Smith said he’s studying the craft with eyes on landing a front-office job sooner rather than later. Smith is headed to watch Toronto and Golden State in their training camps next.

    Smith has his own philosophy on building a contender. The Knicks have not yet followed the script.

    “The league is different now,’’ Smith said. “You have to build a style of play that attracts guys who want to be traded or are free agents. You can’t always draft the best player. You have to attract them. The Nets attracted. Even if you’re not winning, you have to do things to attract.’’

    The Knicks signed seven role players with their $70 million of cap space.

    “Who’s their best player?’’ Smith said. “You’re not sure. That’s a bad thing. There has to be a best player that emerges. Who’s the best player on Denver? [Nikola] Jokic. Portland? It’s [Damian] Lillard. You know who that player is. It’s a measuring stick how good you can be.’’
    Smith said Julius Randle may be “the front-runner’’ to be that standout, but the jury is out. Smith also feels the massive depth Knicks brass brags about can backfire, too.

    “I would say 12 guys on their roster will say ‘I should play 25 minutes,’ ” Smith said. “Six of those guys are not going to play 25 minutes and they’re going to look at it as, well, why not? There aren’t many guys on that team who don’t feel they should play 25 minutes.’’

    Indeed, coach David Fizdale has hills to negotiate.
    “It’s going to be difficult,’’ Smith said. “No one’s allowed a long rope. Typically better players have a long rope and can make mistakes. Steph Curry turns the ball over twice in row and nobody on that bench is looking like I’m about to go in. That’s the hardest part for [Fizdale], keeping the morale of guys [up] who have short ropes.’’

    To compete for a playoff berth, Smith says the Knicks need multiple guys who reach their potential. Now.

    “I would say there has to be two guys that differentiate themselves this year for them to be a successful team,” Smith said. “If everyone has years that are par, they won’t be good. Some guys have to reach their goals of what they can be much quicker.”

    The Knicks are on a six-year playoff drought but never dull.

    “They’re the only team that can lose games for 10 years and people pay attention to,’’ Smith said. “No other than franchise in sport other than the Yankees and Lakers do people pay attention to even when they’re losing.’’
    https://nypost.com/2019/10/05/kenny-...e-tough-times/

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    Thanks for posting still. I have no belief in the suits of this team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicnac View Post
    Thanks for posting still. I have no belief in the suits of this team.
    I'm not sure you'll find many that do.....that last interview was just horrid, I don't like them either especially Mills, but I'm not going to bury Perry at this point either.

    The bottom line and if people are paying attention and listening, the Knicks must show they can win, that's it, its really that simple.

    Till further notice the jury is still out on Perry and Company,

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    I don't know what the status is now, but there was a lot of positivity before regarding this team and the players we signed. People are going to be heartbroken because the team blows and we will once again get screwed in the draft.

    You can spin off what happened last year but start charting this **** out. Top 3 losing team will net better picks on average compared to teams that finish in the higher seeds. Its simple odds.

    Back to the team, I don't care if we lose as long as our young pieces with talent develop. If I see some scrub we signed getting minutes over RJ Barrett I will be pissed. If I see Mitch not starting, I will be pissed. I already gave up on Frank and Smith... hopefully I am wrong about them but I'm done with him.

    RJ, Knox, and Mitch... they better get 30 plus minutes a game

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    I bet by game 10 we will be sold payton, Morris, Portis, and of course randle as the hope for this team. If they believed in Knox there wouldn't be so many forwards on this team, they gave up on frank already, and I believe that Dsj has injuries that they know more about than they say.

    All of the new players have ages that fit this so called youth movement, yet they will be mediocre.

    The suits want their own stamp on this team. Knox is the next frank though if he starts off slow this year. To many in front of him. the one that takes responsibility for selecting Knox will then be fired if we suck.

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    I think you guys give the "suits" too much credit by saying things like they want their own stamp on the team or they did this because of that, or that because of reasons x y and z. It's so clear these guys control very little and have been playing on the backfoot this entire time. They reacted to KP, and ******* themselves when they were in a corner. Not debating the move, lord knows we've done plenty of that. Just pointing out it was reactionary. This has been happening since Phil left, started with the terrible Hardaway signing. Phil might've had too much direction, these guys have none.

    They also reacted to no one wanting to play here this summer by signing a bunch of 2nd/3rd tier guys hoping quantity would make up for quality and that maybe someone sticks. If not just nuke it again next year. The aforementioned trifecta of Mitch/RJ/Knox is signed cheap for 3 years. So why is everyone complaining so damn much?

    You guys try so hard sometimes to over complicate all of this like these are just some malicious malcontents at working trying to sabotage the franchise from within. This team desperately needs some positive momentum/energy around it - so those clamoring for an out right tank - Just realize that the danger is RJ Barrett doing what KP did in three years. Two to three years of tanking and losing I'm sure will drive that kid right out of town and down to New Orleans.

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    It sounds to me like Kenny Smith is gunning for Scott Perry’s job !!!
    And of course he is going to say whatever he has to in order to give himself the best chance to land the job and first he has to put the thought in people’s head that perry is no good for the job .

    Didn’t we try attracting free agents when we hired Phil Jackson ??
    How did that work out ?
    I think what Scott perry is doing is the right thing . But us as knicks fans need to be patient . We have to give these young kids time to develop .
    We don’t need to sign a super star in free agency to be successful intact we don’t even need to make any trades to be successful. All we need is to be patient and let our young guys grow into studs .
    Just take a look at the Denver nuggets for example!!
    Or the Milwaukee bucks !
    Or the warriors before Kevin Durant went there . Or the Utah Jazz !
    I can go on and on !!

    But my point is that you can build a successful team just from drafting the right guys.
    Th only thing is that after you draft the right guys than you have to be patient with them until they become the players that they can become and reach there full potential.
    So I don’t want to here about free agency or trades or any of that .,
    Let’s just stay the course and trust the process.
    Scott perry has put us in a good position as of now .
    Now hopefully things will start to pan out soon . If not this season than hopefully the following .
    I’m not expecting much from this group other than improvement . That’s all . Than the same thing next season . But I will say this , if we don’t atleast make the playoffs by next season than we need to think about making changes .

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    Frank playing at a different speed.

    Combo of him and Gibson on defence is legit. Could build nice chemistry there.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Shawn2timer View Post
    I think you guys give the "suits" too much credit by saying things like they want their own stamp on the team or they did this because of that, or that because of reasons x y and z. It's so clear these guys control very little and have been playing on the backfoot this entire time. They reacted to KP, and ******* themselves when they were in a corner. Not debating the move, lord knows we've done plenty of that. Just pointing out it was reactionary. This has been happening since Phil left, started with the terrible Hardaway signing. Phil might've had too much direction, these guys have none.

    They also reacted to no one wanting to play here this summer by signing a bunch of 2nd/3rd tier guys hoping quantity would make up for quality and that maybe someone sticks. If not just nuke it again next year. The aforementioned trifecta of Mitch/RJ/Knox is signed cheap for 3 years. So why is everyone complaining so damn much?

    You guys try so hard sometimes to over complicate all of this like these are just some malicious malcontents at working trying to sabotage the franchise from within. This team desperately needs some positive momentum/energy around it - so those clamoring for an out right tank - Just realize that the danger is RJ Barrett doing what KP did in three years. Two to three years of tanking and losing I'm sure will drive that kid right out of town and down to New Orleans.
    Ummm. Is this about Kenny's article or something else?

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    Quote Originally Posted by nicnac View Post
    I bet by game 10 we will be sold payton, Morris, Portis, and of course randle as the hope for this team. If they believed in Knox there wouldn't be so many forwards on this team, they gave up on frank already, and I believe that Dsj has injuries that they know more about than they say.

    All of the new players have ages that fit this so called youth movement, yet they will be mediocre.

    The suits want their own stamp on this team. Knox is the next frank though if he starts off slow this year. To many in front of him. the one that takes responsibility for selecting Knox will then be fired if we suck.
    Your mind is made up before the first preseason game....

    Enjoy the season!

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    The Knicks have had zero relevance in the last 2 decades. These kids are 19-22 years old. They didn't see or have no memory of a truly good knick team.

    We've been in the playoffs 5 times and only in 2013, got out of the first round. The sad truth is before Dolan took control, we were in the playoffs every year from 88-2000 and went fairly deep except 2 years.

    Knicks have played boring selfish basketball for 2 decades. They have hired coach after coach, gm after gm and player after player.
    The only reason they hold their value is their location and the fact that the people who are now making enough money for box/club and season tickets are in their 40s or over, remember the 80s and 90s.

    The knicks treat their players poorly, their employees poorly, their fans poorly.

    Sorry, I'm just being real. This isn't an angry rant. Reading Durant's comments made me think about this.

    Why would any young player want to play for a team that acted this way?

    So the Franks, Knoxs, Barretts, KPs... become the sole hope of a horribly run franchise and that's a ton of pressure.
    They get thrown into the **** and don't get the support from the FO they need. (Some are just divas)
    We get GMs who make trade after trade and destroy the future and we get GMs who say one thing and do another.

    Really look at how this franchise has conducted itself. It's horrid.

    On the positive side, if Barrett is awesome, Knox grows, Frank plays like he did in France, DJ's jump shot is for real, Robinson is a true elite defender he seemed to be, Randel is the beast he seems to be, Portis becomes a force, Morris brings a toughness we lack and guys play angry, that could actually change.

    I think the biggest thing is these guys from the last bench player to the coaching staff need to stop the narrative of "You are lucky to play in NYC and be a Knick" and "Everyone wants to play here" and change it to, "**** you. You're scared to play here." "You can't handle playing in this **** hole" "We will play our way out of this **** hole and make it great."

    Play angry and mean. That starts with D.

    A ball bouncing off the head doesn't hurt.



    **** off. Where's my title

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    Look at it positively..

    Maybe we have guys here that don’t give a **** about whatever people are talking about. Just want to play hard. That’s what will change things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ShadyOne View Post
    Look at it positively..

    Maybe we have guys here that don’t give a **** about whatever people are talking about. Just want to play hard. That’s what will change things.
    That remains to be seen only one season Knicks were relevant under Dolan and that was the year old Knicks/Pistons bully's plus Kidd were running the show and hided Melo/Jr's flaws.

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    Quote Originally Posted by cheetos185 View Post
    That remains to be seen only one season Knicks were relevant under Dolan and that was the year old Knicks/Pistons bully's plus Kidd were running the show and hided Melo/Jr's flaws.

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    What does that have to do with this team? No more old overpaid bums. No more horrible contracts. Clean slate. Players play hard, play good, they will play. Not saying it’s ideal, or we will be good, but it’s a start. That’s how I’m going into the year looking at it. We have discussed the mistakes ad nauseum

    Hopefully we see compete levels high, and some development

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