Kobe vs Lebron: Who is the better player?

[Big Moves03]

Did we not establish Kobe had shaq to lean on and a good support in Phil? Lebron did not have that

Yeah, I never denied that...but LBJ had two stars that he hand-picked on two separate occasions and kobe never had that.

[ewing]

Yeah, I never denied that...but LBJ had two stars that he hand-picked on two separate occasions and kobe never had that.

He had big Z and Salis was a good and respected coach. LeBron ran him out of town for trying make him play off ball but why shouldn’t he get to pick a new coach and set of teammates every year?


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[michael811]

What is the excuse going to be for Lebron when he loses early in the west playoffs because he has to play real times the whole way for once?

[Big Moves03]

He had big Z and Salis was a good and respected coach. LeBron ran him out of town for trying make him play off ball but why shouldn’t he get to pick a new coach and set of teammates every year?


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I forgot about Silas. Good memory!

[Chronz]

holy hell where is my post? this guy has tenacity ill give him that. its a shame hes such a homer but ill read his diatribes for sure. PSD needs more numbskulls.

[Big Moves03]

holy hell where is my post? this guy has tenacity ill give him that. its a shame hes such a homer but ill read his diatribes for sure. PSD needs more numbskulls.

Ah, back to tell us more about how Duncan drastically turned around a horrible franchise, I see. Yep, they only won an average of over 60 games over the previous 2 seasons before everyone getting hurt, had the best record in the league 2 years before, and finished 2nd in the west the year before...and finished in the top 2 in the west in 4 of the previous 7 years. Sounds to me like you might have the numbskull department covered quite well...

[michael811]

lebron is getting beat by patrick beverly tonight. legoat?

[valade16]

Dude, this is kind of silly. Obviously it depends on what question they are being asked. Jordan is making a team on the link you sent. If someone is asked "who would you take between players a and b?" and they respond "Player A" they're likely picking Player A as being better. By your logic, any list that is made that doesn't explicitly state that those players are better than the ones they are ranked ahead of wouldn't mean just that...only that those players are ranked in that order. Clearly MJ ranking kobe ahead of LBJ amounts to him picking Kobe over LBJ. If I say I would rank Kobe ahead of lbj it's naturally assumed that I'm saying kobe is better lol. If mj would say the opposite and I would come in here arguing your point the entire forum would explode. You also wouldn't be scrutinizing this nearly to that extent. These aren't lawyers in a courtroom. Its common everyday discourse. We all know what this means and you do too lol.

It seems like it means what you want it to mean when it suits your argument and doesn't when it does not. That's what it looks like. I am scrutinizing this because you claimed a number of players all said Kobe was better, and yet when looking at the actual quotes, very few actually said Kobe was better.

[valade16]

Yeah, I never denied that...but LBJ had two stars that he hand-picked on two separate occasions and kobe never had that.

The only difference is Kobe never got to hand pick his stars, he just got them without any effort on his part.

Rank these supporting casts around LeBron and Kobe:

Shaq and Co during Kobe's first 3-peat
Pau, Odom, Bynum, Artest, etc. during Kobe's back to backs
Wade, Bosh, Allen, and Co during Bron's Heat run
Kyrie, Love, TT, JR Smith, etc. during Bron's 2nd Cavs run


Which supporting cast do you think were best? Which were worst?

[valade16]

He had big Z and Salis was a good and respected coach. LeBron ran him out of town for trying make him play off ball but why shouldn’t he get to pick a new coach and set of teammates every year?

Wait, LeBron had THE Paul Silas as his coach?? 387 wins/488 losses Silas?

That's even better than playing next to Shaq with Phil lousy 11 rings as coach. I change my answer: clearly LeBron's teams were far more stacked than Kobe's.

[Big Moves03]

It seems like it means what you want it to mean when it suits your argument and doesn't when it does not. That's what it looks like. I am scrutinizing this because you claimed a number of players all said Kobe was better, and yet when looking at the actual quotes, very few actually said Kobe was better.

When someone says "I pick Kobe over lbj" or "I rank kobe ahead of lbj" it seems pretty self-explanatory to me, just like when someone says something like "I have mj at #1" it seems pretty clear what they mean. Sure, technically, that last quote could mean anything, maybe they have mj#1 on their speed dial, but it likely means they think he's the GOAT. I'm perfectly okay if you want to hold off on accepting what those players have said as evidence in favor of kobe because you think it's vague (it as after all possible that everyone just has mj as the first person on their speed dial). I think mostly everyone else would think it's pretty clear what those players mean and I'm 100% comfortable with my interpretation (note, I didn't specify, which interpretation I am referring to here so it's possible it could be anything lol). Maybe the next time a woman turns me down for a date I should think "hmm, she technically didn't say she wasn't interested in me specifically." Her telling me "no thanks, I'd rather not" could mean anything" lol

[Tg11]

For me it will always be Kobe over LeBron.

[Big Moves03]

The only difference is Kobe never got to hand pick his stars, he just got them without any effort on his part.

Rank these supporting casts around LeBron and Kobe:

Shaq and Co during Kobe's first 3-peat
Pau, Odom, Bynum, Artest, etc. during Kobe's back to backs
Wade, Bosh, Allen, and Co during Bron's Heat run
Kyrie, Love, TT, JR Smith, etc. during Bron's 2nd Cavs run


Which supporting cast do you think were best? Which were worst?

Umm, in what world was Odom a star? How was Bynum a star? I know he made 1 all-star game, but it's quite a stretch to call him a star (also, he wasn't part of the 09 title run due to injury and then played the entire 2010 title run with a knee injury and was nowhere near 100%). Artest had some good years prior to joining the lakers, but never played anywhere near anything that would resemble an all-star caliber player with the lakers.

And yes, we definitely agree, kobe never got to hand pick his players, which means we don't have to weigh his titles down for title hopping like we do with LBJ and KD.

This issue has already come up on the thread as far as who had the better supporting cast. I think LBJ had the better supporting cast. I would say that both of LBJ's supporting casts were better than either of Kobe's. Kobe has played with 5 all-star caliber teammates his entire career (2 were during his second year in Eddie jones and van excel), only one of which was a superstar in shaq. LBJ has now played with 5 superstars (2 of which were top 5 players) and all of which were arguably top 10 players prior to joining LBJ. LBJ also had mo Williams, Big Z, and Antawn Jamison who were all-stars (although Jamison wasn't an all-star alongside LBJ, but was the season before, his production though alongside LBJ was all-star caliber). I think LBJ has definitely had more help...and went through much weaker competition than kobe because the east was horrible during that time and they would maybe play 1 playoffs caliber team (if that) prior to the finals (note that this team was often on par with the 8th or 9th seeded team in the west).

[Hawkeye15]

Umm, in what world was Odom a star? How was Bynum a star? I know he made 1 all-star game, but it's quite a stretch to call him a star (also, he wasn't part of the 09 title run due to injury and then played the entire 2010 title run with a knee injury and was nowhere near 100%). Artest had some good years prior to joining the lakers, but never played anywhere near anything that would resemble an all-star caliber player.

And yes, we definitely agree, kobe never got to hand pick his players, which means we don't have to weigh his titles down for title hopping like we do with LBJ and KD.

This issue has already come up on the thread as far as who had the better supporting cast. I think LBJ had the better supporting cast. I would say that both of LBJ's supporting casts were better than either of Kobe's. Kobe has played with 5 all-star caliber teammates his entire career (2 were during his second year in Eddie jones and van excel), only one of which was a superstar in shaq. LBJ has now played with 5 superstars (2 of which were top 5 players) and all of which were arguably top 10 players prior to joining LBJ. LBJ also had mo Williams, Big Z, and Antawn Jamison who were all-stars (although Jamison wasn't an all-star alongside LBJ, but was the season before, his production though alongside LBJ was all-star caliber). I think LBJ has definitely had more help...and went through much weaker competition than kobe because the east was horrible during that time and they would maybe play 1 playoffs caliber team (if that) prior to the finals (note that this team was often on par with the 8th or 9th seeded team in the west).

hahahahaha. Dude, you remind me of this place 8 years ago.

Look, your arguments are all off base, you are clearly a Kobe stans, and that is fine, been a while since I have read the drivel his fans post, but regardless, LeBron is absolutely, by far and away, the better player. Just is. Nothing you can post changes that. Literally nothing. Like I said, LeBron's peers are MJ, Wilt, and KAJ. Kobe's are Bird, Russell, Moses, and Magic. They are both great, but Kobe isn't sniffing top 3-4 ever, while LeBron is already there.

I do admire your fight. But it's very alarming anyone with a brain could actually think this is a debate.

[Hawkeye15]

Wait, LeBron had THE Paul Silas as his coach?? 387 wins/488 losses Silas?

That's even better than playing next to Shaq with Phil lousy 11 rings as coach. I change my answer: clearly LeBron's teams were far more stacked than Kobe's.

I love ewing, but he had his girl and job taken away by LeBron the way he acts regarding anything LeBron. No idea why he is so off his rocker when it comes to the guy