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    Quote Originally Posted by mngopher35 View Post
    It's incredible how he uses stats without context so often while writing off all stats (often within context) when they don't say what he wants lol.
    No, I included context. Bosh put up better overall numbers while being a #3 than Duncan put up while being a #1 during that stretch. It's not real knock on Duncan since he was close to retirement, but you guys insist that he was this all-world player at the time who made up a very old core of players.

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    355 pages oops 356 and itís still Lebron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by McAllen Tx View Post
    Yep I was just being sarcastic. Posters trying to make it seem like Shaq won the 3peat all by himself.
    Yep, these dudes are mostly haters on here so they will diminish Kobe's titles because it pushes an LBJ narrative. No one in here seems to care about winning, only meaningless stats matter to them lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Moves03 View Post
    He was in 2010 when he joined the heat.
    disagree... top 15 sure... i dont think he was top 10 the season before which was his best season right before he joined the heat but he was damn good... he had 1 season where you could argue that... that doesnt really make him a top 10 player... that is similar to saying kevin love in his wolves days was a top 3 player... oh my bad you actually think that as well lolololool

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Moves03 View Post
    Yep, these dudes are mostly haters on here so they will diminish Kobe's titles because it pushes an LBJ narrative. No one in here seems to care about winning, only meaningless stats matter to them lol


    the ****ing irony

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    Quote Originally Posted by ldawg View Post
    355 pages oops 356 and itís still Lebron.
    Maybe to some of you

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Moves03 View Post
    Yes, because Duncan is beloved my the media and was a favorite when people voted because he was a team guy on a championship caliber team and had been that for a very long time. In 2010, bosh averaged 24 and 11 compared to Duncan's 18 and 10. In 2011, bosh basically averaged 19 and 8 to Duncan's 13 and 9. In 2012, bosh averaged 18 and 8 to Duncan's 15 and 10. In 2013, bosh averaged 17 and 7 compared to Duncan's 18 and 10. In 2014, bosh averaged 16 and 6.5 to Duncan's 15 and 10. It's not until 2013 that Duncan starts to put up better numbers, but Bosh is the #3 option, whereas a core of the offense was still being run through Duncan during this time. As soon as LBJ left (2015), Bosh's numbers went to 21 and 7 compared to Duncan's 14 and 7. So yes, having a considerably bigger role on the team and still producing less seems to suggest that said player is not as good as the one with a lesser role.
    You seem to be discounting the defensive impact. For instance, in 2010 Bosh anchored the leagues worst defense while Duncan anchored a top 10 defense. Iíd take 18/10 with excellent defense over 24/11 with bad defense.

    You are free to think Bosh is better than Duncan, but itís a pretty laughable opinion. Itís telling even your partner in crime NYKalltheway went radio silent when you started to trashing Duncan.

    I can make a thread on it if you want so we can see if anyone else agrees with you regarding Bosh being better than Duncan.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Moves03 View Post
    Maybe some of you
    the majority actually... 2 butthurt knicks fans one who doesnt even have him top 10 and 1laker fan lmfao

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Moves03 View Post
    No, I included context. Bosh put up better overall numbers while being a #3 than Duncan put up while being a #1 during that stretch. It's not real knock on Duncan since he was close to retirement, but you guys insist that he was this all-world player at the time who made up a very old core of players.
    Duncan is simultaneously a #1 on a championship team and ranked top 10 in the league to many etc. and to you not talented... Also worse than Bosh because his volume scoring jumped up on a non playoff team by about 5ppg taking 5 more shots per game and a decent drop in efficiency to go with not winning as that guy.

    Duncan etc. were far more talented than you make them out to be in context and you used statistics of a guy shooting more on a bad team to compare it to a championship #1.

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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    disagree... top 15 sure... i dont think he was top 10 the season before which was his best season right before he joined the heat but he was damn good... he had 1 season where you could argue that... that doesnt really make him a top 10 player... that is similar to saying kevin love in his wolves days was a top 3 player... oh my bad you actually think that as well lolololool
    Yeah, I do think love was a top 5 player before joining LBJ. It doesn't make any sense what you just said. if he had a season worth of being in the top 10, what exactly keeps him out of it?? He had 3 incredible seasons with the wolves before joining the cavs. It wasn't like it was a single season. Bosh also had really big years with the raptors. It's not like these were anomalies that they never came close to repeating

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    Quote Originally Posted by mngopher35 View Post
    Duncan is simultaneously a #1 on a championship team and ranked top 10 in the league to many etc. and to you not talented... Also worse than Bosh because his volume scoring jumped up on a non playoff team by about 5ppg taking 5 more shots per game and a decent drop in efficiency to go with not winning as that guy.

    Duncan etc. were far more talented than you make them out to be in context and you used statistics of a guy shooting more on a bad team to compare it to a championship #1.
    he will ignore all of this and try to spin it while not understanding a word of the stats or context you are using.

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    If the Spurs and Heat swapped Bosh for Duncan, which team gets better?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mngopher35 View Post
    Duncan is simultaneously a #1 on a championship team and ranked top 10 in the league to many etc. and to you not talented... Also worse than Bosh because his volume scoring jumped up on a non playoff team by about 5ppg taking 5 more shots per game and a decent drop in efficiency to go with not winning as that guy.

    Duncan etc. were far more talented than you make them out to be in context and you used statistics of a guy shooting more on a bad team to compare it to a championship #1.
    Those rankings were out of respect for Duncan. He wasn't producing like he used to at that point. Stick Duncan on one of those bad teams and his numbers would likely drop quite significantly. I used statistics of Bosh on the actual heat when they were contenders and compared them to Duncan and Bosh still borderline wins out despite playing a significantly lesser role along side LBJ and Wade.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    If the Spurs and Heat swapped Bosh for Duncan, which team gets better?
    Spurs improve and Heat get worst. Duncan's production at that point was a byproduct of the system. Anyone who actually saw Duncan play could see it. He was fairly slow at this point. Duncan standing around in the corner while LBJ goes 1 on 5 for most of the 24 only to kick it out to Duncan wouldn't work.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Moves03 View Post
    Spurs improve and Heat get worst. Duncan's production at that point was a byproduct of the system. Anyone who actually saw Duncan play could see it. Duncan standing around in the corner while LBJ goes 1 on 5 for most of the 24 only to kick it out to Duncan wouldn't work.

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