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  1. #2146
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    Who you like as a player could show your age. younger fans do not hold those things to value. If you go back 25 years do you remember how those teams won or how they were formed or who they played? no All we know is Boston and Lakers won the most titles.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Iggie View Post
    I wouldn’t say he lost respect anyways. There were multiple super teams out there to compete with when they made the big 3. Losing respect would’ve been joining the big 4 celtics, a move like KD did.
    yep. I see no different in Kobe/Shaq/Rice Duncan/Ginoble/Parker, Green/Curry/Klay, Kobe/Pau,Odom/Artest, Wade/Bosh/Lebron. MJ/Pippen/Rodman/ron harper/toni, Lebron/Kyrie/Love. etc. If your Davis should you just sit and be frustrated or you form a team of your own?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Iggie View Post
    Kobe should thank the Lakers for not listening to his trade demand. His legacy wouldn’t be near what it is had they traded him to the bulls. Imagine if he only had 3 rings and they were all as 2nd fiddle. The numbers aren’t close at all really and then you factor in the same amount of rings with one guy being the lead dog and the other as 2nd fiddle and Kobe fans would’ve had nothing to cling to.

    Kobe doesn’t win with that god awful bulls management.
    If Kobe got traded to the Bulls they win multiple championship. The same Bulls team that swept Shaq and Wade in the playoffs? Then you add Rose and Bulls win 3+ championships. Kobe stats in the east would skyrocket with the level of competition being weaker. That Bulls team would of made the East the stronger conference. The Spurs record for beating the Heat by the most points ever would of not been the record. The Bulls would of gotten it by beating that same Spurs team.

    Explain to me how giving Kobe more help is not a championship team? Then say that exactly what James needed so he left Cleveland? Maybe your head is still hurting?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Moves03 View Post
    That was just what the media was waiting for because the talk would've been absurd without any titles at all. This is why very few people in the media call him out for it, because it's not in line with their agenda. Like I said before, LBJ could've gone to a good organization and gone that route. He didn't have to form a super team to win a title.
    is it just because it really dont matter how a team is formed games still need to be played in order to win. Lebron did not invent great teams. He just did not sit back to get Lucky to be on a great team.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostonjorge View Post
    If Kobe got traded to the Bulls they win multiple championship. The same Bulls team that swept Shaq and Wade in the playoffs? Then you add Rose and Bulls win 3+ championships. Kobe stats in the east would skyrocket with the level of competition being weaker. That Bulls team would of made the East the stronger conference. The Spurs record for beating the Heat by the most points ever would of not been the record. The Bulls would of gotten it by beating that same Spurs team.

    Explain to me how giving Kobe more help is not a championship team? Then say that exactly what James needed so he left Cleveland? Maybe your head is still hurting?
    No. Who was Bulls given up in the trade? Would Lakers sit back and not target other players? Was phil Jackson following?
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    The difference between Bulls and Lakers is Bulls are trying to get Lucky again. Lakers on the other hand take the luck out of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ldawg View Post
    No. Who was Bulls given up in the trade?
    They could of given up the whole team. The very next season Bulls won the draft with only 1.7 percent chance of winning. That along is the a championship team. Rose with 08 and beyond Kobe would of been to much firepower for anyone to handle.

    Maybe Bulls flip the pick and they trade for KG and Allen not Boston.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostonjorge View Post
    They could of given up the whole team. The very next season Bulls won the draft with only 1.7 percent chance of winning. That along is the a championship team. Rose with 08 and beyond Kobe would of been to much firepower for anyone to handle.

    Maybe Bulls flip the pick and they trade for KG and Allen not Boston.
    So you trade Kobe and not get a draft pick? Who did they have? Was phill Jackson coming along for the ride? Not saying it was impossible for kobe to win with another coach but the track record is not good.

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    Kobe coaches

    Harris
    Jackson
    Brown
    D Antoni
    Scott

    Kobe was hurt for the last 2 coaches.

    Lebron coaches

    Silas
    Brown
    Spolstra
    Blatt
    Lue
    Walton
    Vogel

    James played with more coaches and only won with 1 more coach then Kobe. Kobe track record is as good as Jordan’s when it comes to winning with coaches.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostonjorge View Post
    Kobe coaches

    Harris
    Jackson
    Brown
    D Antoni
    Scott

    Kobe was hurt for the last 2 coaches.

    Lebron coaches

    Silas
    Brown
    Spolstra
    Blatt
    Lue
    Walton
    Vogel

    James played with more coaches and only won with 1 more coach then Kobe. Kobe track record is as good as Jordan’s when it comes to winning with coaches.
    Kobe had 1 more i think Rudy

    Lebron. not one of those coaches won a title before coaching lebron and 65% were rookie coaches. In Blatt not even an NBA coach. he made 2 Eric and Lue. Silas ok.

    number of coaches is not what i mean. Lebron played with all for the most part and won at some level. Kobe on the other hand ether stop listening to them being not worthy of his time or he did not win with them. some of it was the team was not that good other times it just was not a good fit.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostonjorge View Post
    If Kobe got traded to the Bulls they win multiple championship. The same Bulls team that swept Shaq and Wade in the playoffs? Then you add Rose and Bulls win 3+ championships. Kobe stats in the east would skyrocket with the level of competition being weaker. That Bulls team would of made the East the stronger conference. The Spurs record for beating the Heat by the most points ever would of not been the record. The Bulls would of gotten it by beating that same Spurs team.

    Explain to me how giving Kobe more help is not a championship team? Then say that exactly what James needed so he left Cleveland? Maybe your head is still hurting?
    No lol because they don’t even get Rose. Come on now that’s just common sense.

    Swept the Heat but Wade wasn’t even supposed to be playing and had multiple surgeries right after.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ldawg View Post
    is it just because it really dont matter how a team is formed games still need to be played in order to win. Lebron did not invent great teams. He just did not sit back to get Lucky to be on a great team.
    It does matter how a team is formed. Championships matter because superstars lead their team. If a team is so good that it doesn't matter if they have that superstar or any other star then it cheapens the championship. With the heat, you could have probably replaced LBJ with another star and that team would still likely win a few titles.

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    Like everyone else a frustrated Kobe requested a trade. It did not happen but he was ready to jump ship. I wonder if people lost respect for him doing that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Moves03 View Post
    It does matter how a team is formed. Championships matter because superstars lead their team. If a team is so good that it doesn't matter if they have that superstar or any other star then it cheapens the championship. With the heat, you could have probably replaced LBJ with another star and that team would still likely win a few titles.
    if it matters Why Shaq did not get the same treatment? no one cares about that other than the old heads who did not move around.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Moves03 View Post
    It does matter how a team is formed. Championships matter because superstars lead their team. If a team is so good that it doesn't matter if they have that superstar or any other star then it cheapens the championship. With the heat, you could have probably replaced LBJ with another star and that team would still likely win a few titles.
    No. Kobe did not change team but many still felt Shaq could have won with a like star which he did.

    Lebron was mvp in all 3 rings dont matter if it was Miami or Cavs.

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