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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    You = dumb. Hubie = Smart.


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    great take... i get it.. you hate anything lebron and any player that resembles his style... you did nothing to disprove my post. AGAIN AN OLD **** ANNOUNCER SUPER RESPECTED IN BASEBALL ARGUING TWTW LMFAO THE WILL TO WIN


    THE WILL TO ****ING WIN AS A METRIC... MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN... AND BEFORE YOU SAY THATS BASEBALL... Dont... its basketball as well with these morons ignoring data that shows us who is better and then goes by TWTW to justify their stupid takes.
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    Quote Originally Posted by NYKalltheway View Post
    All teams that Jordan beat in the Finals would have won a ring in almost any given season during the 2010s. Even the finalists of the non-Bulls years (1994 and 1995) would have won in almsot any given season. Try stopping the team of Shaq & Penny in today's era.

    On the other hand, only the Spurs (2014) and perhaps the Heat of 2013 could have reached the Finals in the 90s, but that's also not really guaranteed in any way as they had to come from the West. And that was incredibly hard for any team.
    You have to be the least knowledgeable poster on this site. You have the worst/hottest takes on every thread you post in and you’re so ate up with your era of basketball that it’s blinded you and it makes it pointless to even talk to you. It’s unbelievable how bad your takes are, this thread is dumb and pointless and not even close to being on topic but I had to stop in to say this.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Romeo Naes View Post
    A common myth perpetuated by LeBron James fanboys. Jordan was able to pass the first round against the Mark Price lead Cleveland Cavaliers in 1988 with a rookie Scottie Pippen essentially coming off the bench and averaging only 10.6 ppg. Scottie was hardly the "All-Star" difference maker you all love to make him out to be.
    Whoaaaa he beat Mark Price?! Lock up the thread and shut it down!!!
    YOU JUST MADE THE LIST!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    great take... i get it.. you hate anything lebron and any player that resembles his style... you did nothing to disprove my post. AGAIN AN OLD **** ANNOUNCER SUPER RESPECTED IN BASEBALL ARGUING TWTW LMFAO THE WILL TO WIN


    THE WILL TO ****ING WIN AS A METRIC... MAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAAN... AND BEFORE YOU SAY THATS BASEBALL... Dont... its basketball as well with these morons ignoring data that shows us who is better and then goes by TWTW to justify their stupid takes.
    You just argue with yourself. I said repeatedly LeBron is the second best player ever in my opinion and that this thread is stupid. Its almost as stupid as assuming someone with Hubie experience and level of success both as a basketball teacher and analysis is stupid b/c he is old. I stand by my post
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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    You just argue with yourself. I said repeatedly LeBron is the second best player ever in my opinion and that this thread is stupid. Its almost as stupid as assuming someone with Hubie experience and level of success both as a basketball teacher and analysis is stupid b/c he is old. I stand by my post
    so by exp i guess the celtics announcer knows what he is doing? how about reggie horrid *** miller???????????????????????????????? i could go on but you will just ignore it

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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    so by exp i guess the celtics announcer knows what he is doing? how about reggie horrid *** miller???????????????????????????????? i could go on but you will just ignore it
    Proving my point. When did I say anything about Johnny Most or Reggie Miller? Arguing with yourself again and missing the point. Hubie actually does knows a **** ton about basketball and usually isn't trolling or fishing for hits. It doesn't matter that he is old or an announcer. It matters that he is a great basketball mind. A guy that successfully coached across multiple generations while employing different styles and just knows the game. All you seem to see is and old guy though so you are biased.

    Hubie > MTM
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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    Proving my point. When did I say anything about Johnny Most or Reggie Miller? Arguing with yourself again and missing the point. Hubie knows a **** ton about basketball and usually isn't trolling or fishing for hits. It doesn't matter that he is old or an announcer. It matters that he is a great basketball mind. All you seem to see is and old guy so you are biased.

    Hubie > MTM
    what makes him a great mind? because he has been in the sport forever? has he done anything to evolve with the times? advanced metrics etc or is he still worrying about a 80s and 90s game in the 2000s and commenting on it while people like you rub the guys ego because he is a legend without advancing with the sport?

    again by your logic guys that know the sport/played the sport understand the sport etc.... enter reggie stupid *** miller and i could name so many other guys that get paid to be morons.

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    Quote Originally Posted by NYKalltheway View Post
    I pity the US education system. If you pass as an above average communicator, I just don't want to see what else there is. Though actually we do have a lot of those in here too.

    Your comprehension ability is so remarkably awful that you are not able to understand the simplest of forms.

    Lakers with Magic vs Heat with Lebron = Lakers win
    Lakers without Magic vs Heat without Lebron = Heat probably win
    Lakers with Lebron vs Heat with Magic = Heat definitely win

    Is this easier to understand now? Do you want me to bring the multiplication table after this?

    As for your specialists remark. You obviously have no idea what I'm talking about (quelle surprise!!).

    A specialist is a guy who has one skill that he's specializing in and he doesn't do much other than that. Because he's incapable of doing it, not because his instructions are such. He has the same 'special' role in every team he gets to play at.

    Maybe if you actually had seen all Open Court episodes you'd see when Kenny Smith brought this up how everyone agreed with him when he talked about that. Or how in another episode he was like "superstars from today's era would have been average in the 80s" and everyone pretty much agreed. Only Steve Kerr added what was a valid statement. Coaching is indeed better now. You do need better coaching, especially on D, because it's almost illegal to play defense. In the past you just had to glue to your man. And most guys were good defenders and the rules were tailored in their favor so that even enhanced their individual quality as well obviously, which also made it tougher for an offensive player.
    But what you don't know is that most of this coaching influence came from Europe, from guys I worked with [and is considered the greatest coach in the world by everyone in the business] and in some cases even hired former players of these guys for a pro basketball club I was working with...

    Guys like Charles Oakley - not him specifically - perhaps excelled at defending and rebounding (two things) but could also post up (not great, but average), had a midrange shot among other skills. They just weren't high in the team's order as others could do that better. There are guards today that cannot dribble, pass or control the tempo. There are bigs that cannot post up. There are shooting guards that cannot shoot. It's a different game.

    Better to the eye for someone who doesn't appreciate the good sport and just wants something with a fast pace, not so great for someone who values good basketball skills.
    First Bolded: No, I know what you said and what you were trying to do. That being said, I guess we can put to rest this notion of players today not being as good as back then considering the supporting cast for a championship team this era (not even the best mind you) is better than the supporting cast for a team many consider the greatest of all-time. Now that we're on the subject, is there any teams supporting cast in NBA history as good as those Heat? We are talking about one of the greatest teams of all-time. Pretty impressive stuff.

    Second Bolded: Yes, a bunch of guys who played in that era are calling it the best. What a shock! As for Steve Kerr, here is what he thinks of LeBron:

    https://bleacherreport.com/articles/...ones-ever-seen

    "They have a guy who's playing basketball at a level that I'm not sure anyone's ever seen before when you consider everything he's doing."

    https://www.usatoday.com/story/sport...ers/687325002/

    "I get asked all the time about MJ, LeBron, and it's such a difficult question to ask," Kerr said. "All I know is they're the two best players that I've ever witnessed. They're very different, but however you want to rank them, they're right there together."


    Steve Kerr has been a GM and a coach, he's the only one to win a ring outside of playing. If you want to agree with Kenny and Charles over Steve Kerr, go ahead. All I can say is there's a reason nobody is hiring Charles Barkley to be a coach or GM and they do want Kerr. Heck, the only other guy who was a GM from Open Court (Isiah Thomas) has flat out said he'd take LeBron James over Michael Jordan:

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4AAbRz6ZRS0

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pXSV7-OQBT0

    Now, that's probably in part due to Isiah's beef with Jordan, but still. You have a room full of guys and you are taking the opinions of those who have never been a coach or GM over those who have. What does that tell you about your opinions?

    Third Bolded: If you consider Charles Oakley an average post-up player then the talent today is definitely better than back then. Even if we start just making up BS like Oakley was this all-purpose player, there are still dozens upon dozens of examples of role players from back then. Go ahead and tell me Mark Eaton was a proficient post up player. Or tell me that Steve Kerr was an all around talent. The idea that every player back then was this well rounded player or there weren't specialists is just garbage. it's a literal garbage take.

    Heck, here is an article talking about how the modern game is literally killing off the one dimensional specialist:

    https://www.theringer.com/nba/2019/5...-pascal-siakam

    In the modern NBA, the playoffs are where specialists go to die.

    In the modern NBA, players can’t survive deep into the playoffs without a diverse skill-set. Kirk Goldsberry spent a portion of his tremendous new book, SprawlBall, on Ryan Anderson, who signed a four-year, $80 million contract with the Rockets in 2016 because of his shooting ability. Anderson symbolizes the game’s evolution from the post to the perimeter, but Anderson and players like him have rapidly seen their value dissipate in the postseason since they’re stationary players who don’t generate value off the dribble—plus, they’re liabilities on defense. Teams feast on weak defenders as soon as they hit the floor. And if those players are anything less than elite at shooting, well, they’d better be able to pass.

    As the regular season turns into the postseason, a line is drawn, and players are evaluated with different criteria. What made them useful in December can make them a footnote in May. Shooting is the hottest commodity in this league, but this postseason has shown us that a player must be capable at almost every other facet of the game as well if they want to be a real contributor. Today, even role players must do it all.



    Seriously, I've never seen someone have so many takes that are just straight up, flat out incorrect.
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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    what makes him a great mind? because he has been in the sport forever? has he done anything to evolve with the times? advanced metrics etc or is he still worrying about a 80s and 90s game in the 2000s and commenting on it while people like you rub the guys ego because he is a legend without advancing with the sport?

    again by your logic guys that know the sport/played the sport understand the sport etc.... enter reggie stupid *** miller and i could name so many other guys that get paid to be morons.
    The guy came back after a 20 year lay off to coach the Griz on the early 2000s and not only did they over achieve he was one of if not the most innovative coaches in the league. Ahead of his time at 70 in the 2000s. He would have continued to be a successful and cutting edge coach if it wasn't for heath concerns (he is old as ****). Hubie 100% knows what is up. your old = dumb narrative doesn't apply here
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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    The guy came back after a 20 year lay off to coach the Griz on the early 2000s and not only did they over achieve he was one of if not the most innovative coaches in the league. Ahead of his time at 70 in the 2000s. He would have continued to be a successful and cutting edge coach if it wasn't for heath concerns (he is old as ****). Hubie 100% knows what is up. your old = dumb narrative doesn't apply here
    https://www.basketball-reference.com...rownhu99c.html


    wowowowow my man had 1 good season after a career of mediocrity and what did the team do without him?


    https://www.basketball-reference.com/teams/MEM/

    2 playoff appearneces same results back to back


    i guess Mike Fratello in todays sport is now a genius basketball super mind with insane ability and exp as well? I mean he does have a way better coaching record then hubie


    again he was damn good in his time but listening to him now is hilarious and bad.... he is just another old guy that did not advance with the sport.
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    Here are a number of old players and coaches (including guys he tried to use against LeBron like Barkley and Hubie Brown) talking about his ranking:

    https://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...s-chatter.html

    Magic Johnson "LeBron is top 10 and moving up fast, and he can surpass Michael as the greatest who ever played. He’s the best defender, smartest player in the game. And he [plays for] the greatest organization in the world.”

    Isiah Thomas, who places James in the top three with Jordan and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

    Jack Ramsay “I don’t think LeBron is Jordan, but he’s in the ballpark,” Ramsay said. “Bill Russell, Oscar Robertson, Jerry West have to be in there. The last two seasons, LeBron finally got it together.”

    Charles Barkley He’s top 10, no question. But I don’t think you can put anybody top five on my list"

    Hubie Brown “If he keeps doing this, he is going to pass Michael and Russell and Kareem,” Brown said. “The potential is there [to be the best ever] but he has to stay injury free.”


    Even all the old timers are saying LeBron is Top 10.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    Here are a number of old players and coaches (including guys he tried to use against LeBron like Barkley and Hubie Brown) talking about his ranking:

    https://miamiherald.typepad.com/spor...s-chatter.html

    Magic Johnson "LeBron is top 10 and moving up fast, and he can surpass Michael as the greatest who ever played. He’s the best defender, smartest player in the game. And he [plays for] the greatest organization in the world.”

    Isiah Thomas, who places James in the top three with Jordan and Kareem Abdul-Jabbar

    Jack Ramsay “I don’t think LeBron is Jordan, but he’s in the ballpark,” Ramsay said. “Bill Russell, Oscar Robertson, Jerry West have to be in there. The last two seasons, LeBron finally got it together.”

    Charles Barkley He’s top 10, no question. But I don’t think you can put anybody top five on my list"

    Hubie Brown “If he keeps doing this, he is going to pass Michael and Russell and Kareem,” Brown said. “The potential is there [to be the best ever] but he has to stay injury free.”


    Even all the old timers are saying LeBron is Top 10.
    well damn if HB is this much of a genius i guess ewing should just admit he is goat????????????? he just said HB is blah blah blah blah blah


    i mean lebron has been injury free and a god year after year after year after year like HB stated he could be if he was halthy.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ewing View Post
    You just argue with yourself. I said repeatedly LeBron is the second best player ever in my opinion and that this thread is stupid. Its almost as stupid as assuming someone with Hubie experience and level of success both as a basketball teacher and analysis is stupid b/c he is old. I stand by my post
    If ewing is saying LeBron is the second best player ever with his well documented dislike of LeBron, the argument of whether he is Top 10 is pretty much dead.

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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    well damn if HB is this much of a genius i guess ewing should just admit he is goat????????????? he just said HB is blah blah blah blah blah

    i mean lebron has been injury free and a god year after year after year after year like HB stated he could be if he was halthy.
    I think Hubie Brown is a smart basketball mind. He is definitely knowledgeable.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    I think Hubie Brown is a smart basketball mind. He is definitely knowledgeable.
    when did i disagree with this?? he is a fossil that comments constantly about the old game etc... basketball has changed drastically since he has coached and nothing he continues to spew shows intelligence in todays sport... i love lebron but he loves lebron because lebron game is exactly what he has seen from all time greats in the 80s and 90s... lebron would be great in any era no doubt and its amazing lebron is doing what he is doing even now but HB sounds like a man out of his era when he does basketball games.

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