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  1. #7786
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    Game 4 of the NBA finals today and Kobe is still the #1 topic for basketball.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostonjorge View Post
    Game 4 of the NBA finals today and Kobe is still the #1 topic for basketball.
    Not really Lakers and Lebron is in the finals. Itís more of where Lebron sits among the all time greats.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ldawg View Post
    lakers shot in the bottom percentage all season and into the bubble. Lakers made a living dominating the paint. Heat are playing them for those lobs and each time a player jump in the post he is seeing 2 or 3 defenders. If this is gsw you run them off the 3 with lakers you clog the paint. You deter them from their dominance. It was a strategy to make Kobe take tough shots and itís a strategy to make Lebron shoot as well. Spurs have been doing this for a while. If the role players donít hit open shots Davis and lebron wonít have room and they to will end up taking shots to. Thatís exactly what you want to turn them into a jump Shooting team. This give the Heat their only chance to win. This in not the league of big slow players pounding the ball and canít run back on D.
    Your post basically supports that you can dominate in the paint without hitting the 3s at a high rate. The last game we shot it about the same as Game 2, yet AD dominated in Game 2 but not Game 3.

    You are also waaaaay off basis. The league was never dominated by big slow guys. It was dominated by big super athletic guys. Wilt is probably the greatest athlete the league has ever seen (and it might not be all that close. Bill Russell was also an insane athlete. Shaq was probably more athletic than any big right now. Same goes for David Robinson. Hakeem had incredible lateral speed for a big man. KG was an incredible athlete. Duncan was fairly athletic as well, as was Ewing. Chris Webber was a pretty amazing athlete, as was Karl Malone. I challenge you to name one big man who was super elite and who was slow and unathletic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Moves03 View Post
    Your post basically supports that you can dominate in the paint without hitting the 3s at a high rate. The last game we shot it about the same as Game 2, yet AD dominated in Game 2 but not Game 3.

    You are also waaaaay off basis. The league was never dominated by big slow guys. It was dominated by big super athletic guys. Wilt is probably the greatest athlete the league has ever seen (and it might not be all that close. Bill Russell was also an insane athlete. Shaq was probably more athletic than any big right now. Same goes for David Robinson. Hakeem had incredible lateral speed for a big man. KG was an incredible athlete. Duncan was fairly athletic as well, as was Ewing. Chris Webber was a pretty amazing athlete, as was Karl Malone. I challenge you to name one big man who was super elite and who was slow and unathletic.
    It not that Lakers did not play the same its that Miami played better than they did in game 2.

    Again your not given Heat defense credit for disrupting or Butler monster game. Davis was also in foul trouble.

    those guys you list is not your average big slow center

    Also not saying you cant post in todays game it just cant be your main way of offense unless you have a beast in the paint and i aint talking about no 6'6 player.

    Thats great however they are not guicker than guards.

    Where is Howard and Mcgee?
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    Quote Originally Posted by ldawg View Post
    Not really Lakers and Lebron is in the finals. Itís more of where Lebron sits among the all time greats.
    he could win or lose this finals and still be ahead of kobe by a ton... rings=stupid argument.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ldawg View Post
    It not that Lakers did not play the same its that Miami played better than they did in game 2.

    Again your not given Heat defense credit for disrupting or Butler monster game. Davis was also in foul trouble.

    those guys you list is not your average big slow center

    Also not saying you cant post in todays game it just cant be your main way of offense unless you have a beast in the paint and i aint talking about no 6'6 player.

    Thats great however they are not guicker than guards.

    Where is Howard and Mcgee?
    I disagree that post play can't be your main source of offense. You need a dominant post player of course, which there are hardly any of anymore so that's probably why we don't see it as often, but if you have one of those I definitely think that you can play inside-out as the primary offense. Also, AD played like a weenie and didn't assert himself in the previous game. He played 33 minutes and only had 5 rebounds. That's not on the defense doing a great job, that's on AD. He played much better tonight in terms of being more assertive and engaged and it showed in his performance. I'm not saying that the defense didnt do a good job, but with a player like AD the defense can't stop you, only AD can keep himself from putting up big numbers.

    You said that big slow centers don't dominate the league anymore and I said that they never did. McGee is kind of slow, but he was never a dominant player nor would he ever be in any era. Dwight used to be a dominant player and he was super athletic. My point was that the big men who have dominated the league were never big slow guys, they were elite athletes and many of them are some of the most athletic players the league has ever seen (e.g., Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Shaq, etc.)

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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    he could win or lose this finals and still be ahead of kobe by a ton... rings=stupid argument.
    LBJ isn't way ahead of anyone in the top 10, not just kobe. All guys in the top 10 are super close and the difference is very minimal. The only way one of those guys could be way ahead of others in that category is if they were basically putting up Wilt-like numbers in the current NBA. Wilt is the only guy who a case can be made for is way ahead of any of the top 10 guys given his video-game like dominance, but it's difficult to know how he would stack up in today's NBA. Unless someone is dominating on that level in the modern NBA though, it's borderline absurd to try to argue that they're way ahead of anyone in the top 10. Even maybe the top 15. These guys have all reached close to the pinnacle of the sport, there simply isn't enough room to be way ahead of others who are that close to the ceiling.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bostonjorge View Post
    Game 4 of the NBA finals today and Kobe is still the #1 topic for basketball.
    This is the only reason Bigginí keeps posting. Keep the convo going, the debate never dies. The debate never dies and itís still technically a debate. If everyone let it go months ago and didnít care that one dude wonít accept reality, then it woulda been done.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Moves03 View Post
    LBJ isn't way ahead of anyone in the top 10, not just kobe. All guys in the top 10 are super close and the difference is very minimal. The only way one of those guys could be way ahead of others in that category is if they were basically putting up Wilt-like numbers in the current NBA. Wilt is the only guy who a case can be made for is way ahead of any of the top 10 guys given his video-game like dominance, but it's difficult to know how he would stack up in today's NBA. Unless someone is dominating on that level in the modern NBA though, it's borderline absurd to try to argue that they're way ahead of anyone in the top 10. Even maybe the top 15. These guys have all reached close to the pinnacle of the sport, there simply isn't enough room to be way ahead of others who are that close to the ceiling.
    no... he is way ahead of kobe.... kobe is 8-11.... lebron is 2.... its not close nomatter how many posts you post in here trying to tell yourself it is.... there is 50-5 or so in here that that have lebron WAY ahead of kobe.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddletramp View Post
    This is the only reason Bigginí keeps posting. Keep the convo going, the debate never dies. The debate never dies and itís still technically a debate. If everyone let it go months ago and didnít care that one dude wonít accept reality, then it woulda been done.
    you are correct.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Moves03 View Post
    I disagree that post play can't be your main source of offense. You need a dominant post player of course, which there are hardly any of anymore so that's probably why we don't see it as often, but if you have one of those I definitely think that you can play inside-out as the primary offense. Also, AD played like a weenie and didn't assert himself in the previous game. He played 33 minutes and only had 5 rebounds. That's not on the defense doing a great job, that's on AD. He played much better tonight in terms of being more assertive and engaged and it showed in his performance. I'm not saying that the defense didnt do a good job, but with a player like AD the defense can't stop you, only AD can keep himself from putting up big numbers.

    You said that big slow centers don't dominate the league anymore and I said that they never did. McGee is kind of slow, but he was never a dominant player nor would he ever be in any era. Dwight used to be a dominant player and he was super athletic. My point was that the big men who have dominated the league were never big slow guys, they were elite athletes and many of them are some of the most athletic players the league has ever seen (e.g., Wilt, Russell, Kareem, Shaq, etc.)
    Lakers played better defense game 5 just saying. its not like they were much better on the offensve end.

    A dominant or special talent can post if he get shooters around him that have not changed. However noy that the game have 5 quick players on the floor your level of success wont be the same. especially if you will be trading 2 for 3
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    imagine lebron playng like kobe did against the celtics in that game 7 in any game this series and thinking it would be a win? not a chance. 0CHANCE... kobe was the 3rd best player on his team in a game 7 title win.... lebron has never and right now in these finals hasnt ever been even a number 2 let alone the 3rd best player and the lakers won.........

    imagine telling lebron he could be garbage in a game 7 and the lakers win the title and he would get full credit?

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    Quote Originally Posted by Saddletramp View Post
    This is the only reason Bigginí keeps posting. Keep the convo going, the debate never dies. The debate never dies and itís still technically a debate. If everyone let it go months ago and didnít care that one dude wonít accept reality, then it woulda been done.
    Well we know this is false, because I've left the thread for many months multiple times and the thread kept going without me posting at all.

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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    no... he is way ahead of kobe.... kobe is 8-11.... lebron is 2.... its not close nomatter how many posts you post in here trying to tell yourself it is.... there is 50-5 or so in here that that have lebron WAY ahead of kobe.
    You can say it all you want and that and it's certainly a narrative pushed by the media recently that LBJ is #2 all-time, but that doesnt make it so and that is definitely far from a consensus. You also completely missed the point of the post. Even if your ranking is actually correct (which it isn't), the difference would still be super minimal. It's not just kobe that the difference would be super minimal for either. Whoever you have at #3-11, if LBJ is better than them, the difference would be super small. As I said, once you get super close to the ceiling, which pretty much the top 10 even top 15 guys have gotten to, there isnt any room for their to be major differences. Note also, that many on here who have picked LBJ have said that the difference isnt that large and various posters in this camp have said that it's not nearly as large as posters like you think. You can troll all you want, but that won't make these absurd positions true. It's funny cause you're on record across multiple posts over the years saying that you disliked kobe (which it's obvious from your posts) and that you love LBJ and have even recently admitted that you love LBJ.
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    Quote Originally Posted by More-Than-Most View Post
    imagine lebron playng like kobe did against the celtics in that game 7 in any game this series and thinking it would be a win? not a chance. 0CHANCE... kobe was the 3rd best player on his team in a game 7 title win.... lebron has never and right now in these finals hasnt ever been even a number 2 let alone the 3rd best player and the lakers won.........

    imagine telling lebron he could be garbage in a game 7 and the lakers win the title and he would get full credit?
    Except that is false, Kobe was the best player on the court that Game 7. He didn't shoot well, but there are far more aspects to the game than shooting. This is yet another troll post and another false narrative. You've argued that Pau should've gotten the MVP that series, which shows just how biased you are and is on par with the posters who argue that Kyrie should've gotten the MVP in 2016.

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