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    Was Moving on from Q the Right Decision?

    Blams, you're a great moderator. Just feel like we need more ongoing threads beyond game/contract stuff.


    Does anyone else feel like we should kept Q?

    I really do like Colliton and feel like he has a future. I just don't think it was the time for him here with this group of players.

    In my opinion, the last few years were much more a failure on Bowman's part than Q's. The roster had obvious, glaring flaws. I know it's been 1 game, but I can't imagine our roster this year is better with Colliton as head coach than Quenville.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ds637 View Post
    Blams, you're a great moderator. Just feel like we need more ongoing threads beyond game/contract stuff.


    Does anyone else feel like we should kept Q?

    I really do like Colliton and feel like he has a future. I just don't think it was the time for him here with this group of players.

    In my opinion, the last few years were much more a failure on Bowman's part than Q's. The roster had obvious, glaring flaws. I know it's been 1 game, but I can't imagine our roster this year is better with Colliton as head coach than Quenville.
    I'd prefer we create more threads as long as it's not overkill; trying to stay away from "catch all" threads in an effort to improve participation. I renamed the thread, if you want another name let me know in a pm!

    As far as the topic; I think it was time to move on from Q. Its hard to tell though since the talent was dwindling and the roster was aging.

    I'll always have an attachment of sorts to players and coaches involved in the run the hawks made and I doubt I'm the only one that thinks that. Makes it difficult to ever want to break any of it up.

    Colliton is a huge question mark. I hope he can be our next great coach!

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    I may be wrong but hockey seems to be a bit of its own beast. Hockey coaches seem to move around and still be great. Sometimes the message just doesn't get through anymore? It seems hockey coaches re tread more than in other leagues? I dunno. Because college hockey isn't prominent maybe I don't see it. Yada yada yada I don't know

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    Hockey definitely is different for coaching which is why you see coaches run around and be great multiple places. There aren't constant stops of play like other sports. You can't really run new things teams haven't seen very often. It's more about finding a coach who can put a system in players believe in, and choosing the right system. Once you get that, you need the players to execute.

    That's why you find established coaches immediately getting hired after getting fired. It's also why I feel firing Q was stupid. The last few years it was obvious Stan failed to put a solid top to bottom lineup together.

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    No it was not. Bowman should be fired.

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    So. Think it's safe to say Colliton was a terrible hire. In retrospect, how do you hire a guy that young with no NHL coaching experience to lead a team with a core of seasoned vets and hall of famers in the midst or tailend of their careers? Half of them probably think they know more than their coach. Hell, Seabs played with the guy. Just awful. Maybe if he wasn't so mild mannered and had some fire in him the team wouldn't look like it just woke up from binge drinking all weekend most games.

    Colliton and a 1st for Q back from Florida?

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    if it's between coach q and bowman, it's not close in my mind that i'd rather have stuck with coach q. and in all honesty, i'd have much preferred to keep dale tallon and avoided bowman altogether.

    and i agree with ds637. we should have kept colliton at rockford.
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    If Mike Babcock became available say in a week, would you want the Hawks to immediately pursue him to replace Colliton? They are playing better lately, but they get outshot by 50% nearly every game which has me worried if this success is sustainable.

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    My gut says Babcock will be scooped up long before they move on from Colliton.

    Bowmans seat has been hot for a while now and Q was made the scapegoat to buy him a little more time to try to turn things around. If the Hawks miss the playoffs again, and they will, Colliton and Bowman should both get the ax. Bowman especially has wasted enough of 19, 88, 7, and 2s careers do deserve it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack the Ripper View Post
    My gut says Babcock will be scooped up long before they move on from Colliton.

    Bowmans seat has been hot for a while now and Q was made the scapegoat to buy him a little more time to try to turn things around. If the Hawks miss the playoffs again, and they will, Colliton and Bowman should both get the ax. Bowman especially has wasted enough of 19, 88, 7, and 2s careers do deserve it.
    I agree with all of this. I really think Scotty Bowman plays a much bigger role than we all know in advising the upper echelon of the organization and that's why Stan has lasted so long. I think most organizations would have fired Bowman before Q.

    Just wish they would have some balls and go out and get Babcock. He would be a great coach for the current build of this team IMO.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ds637 View Post
    I agree with all of this. I really think Scotty Bowman plays a much bigger role than we all know in advising the upper echelon of the organization and that's why Stan has lasted so long. I think most organizations would have fired Bowman before Q.

    Just wish they would have some balls and go out and get Babcock. He would be a great coach for the current build of this team IMO.
    Unfortunately, you're absolutely right. It's reminiscent of the Pulford/Wirtz days to me and the kind of nepotism that cost the Hawks so much in the 90s. As long as the United Center is full, things will likely not change. Bowman will continue to get a pass and we'll soon see banners for 19, 88, and 2 up in the rafters, but no championship banners to accompany them. After 2015, this team still had more championship runs in them. It's crazy to think that we're going on 5 years from that. I'm incredibly thankful to have lived through the greatest run in Chicago Blackhawks history, but I will always feel that we could have done better.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Jack the Ripper View Post
    Unfortunately, you're absolutely right. It's reminiscent of the Pulford/Wirtz days to me and the kind of nepotism that cost the Hawks so much in the 90s. As long as the United Center is full, things will likely not change. Bowman will continue to get a pass and we'll soon see banners for 19, 88, and 2 up in the rafters, but no championship banners to accompany them. After 2015, this team still had more championship runs in them. It's crazy to think that we're going on 5 years from that. I'm incredibly thankful to have lived through the greatest run in Chicago Blackhawks history, but I will always feel that we could have done better.
    That's how I feel man. I understand after the cup run maybe they need an extra year or 2 to really contend again because salaries get blown up when you win, but at this point it is just bad management.

    I don't think it is quite the same as the old Wirtz days. It was just so bad when Rocky took over I think he is hesitant to change the upper management after they had a great deal of success. He's shown to me that he is willing to pay for success. I think it's just more they're scared to make the changes at the top and risk bottoming out with the team.

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    ****ing Pekke Rinne scored tonight. If that doesn't say it all about the Blackhawks this season, I don't know what does. Fire Colliton already.
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    One of the things I miss most from the Hawks old style of play was the long breakout pass. Couple times a game a defenseman would hit someone streaking, kind of like a cherry picker in basketball, for a breakaway.

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