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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by Big Moves03 View Post
    Scoring wise, kobe was substantially better...Kobe's numbers are down because he came off the bench for his first 2.5 years and then his last 2 years he was basically a shell of himself because of the injury. LBJ does score more efficiently, the problem is those numbers haven't led to winning on the same level as Kobe, which leads one to question whether efficiency (as is presently measured) actually means too much. A big thing about their efficiency is that LBJ gets a large chunk of his shots at the rim so it makes sense that he would have a higher fg%, just like most big men have a higher fg% than perimeter players. From 2000-2004 and 2008-2011 Kobe had great teams (that's 9 years) and he won 5 titles. From 2011-2018, and in 2020 LBJ had great teams (will be 9 years) and LBJ presently only has 3 titles. It says a lot.

    I agree that AI and Barkley are great players and so titles aren't the only factor, but when you're distinguishing among the best ever, it makes a big difference, because most great players can put up insane numbers if everything revolves around them, but that doesn't lead to winning so they don't do that. Harden is actually a good example. He's nowhere near the player that his numbers suggest he is and he will never in a million years win a title playing like that. If he played the right way, he'd average more like 23 and 5...he'd probably win a lot more, but then the numbers wouldn't be great. I believe the same exact applies to LBJ.
    Kobe was carried to Rings, while Lebron carried teams.

    Kobe’s last ring tells it all. 5-25 fg and stillwins on the strength of his teammates.

    Lebron has never been on a team good enough for him to win playing so poorly.

    Not to mention Shaq carried him to his first 3

    Stop playin bigmove

    You can get away with that talk in here, you come outside your hole to the main forum with this BS you’ll get laughed off of this site

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    Quote Originally Posted by ldawg View Post
    The reason it did not lead to the level of winning as Kobe is because Kobe played with a Prime Shaq that teams had no answer for, a guy that the league changed rules for. This takes a lot of pressure of you not to mention Lakers is a much better franchise. Meaning Kobe was in a better situation.
    He also played with pau, who was very good...but a strong argument can be made that every single all-star caliber player LBJ has had was better than Pau. Don't forget that Kobe won a back-to-back without shaq. LBJ has had Wade, Bosh, Kyrie, and Love...and now he has AD. Statistically, all of those guys were better than pau. LBJ has needed 2 elite stars to win Kobe has never had more than one and an argument can be made that Pau wasn't a superstar. You can also just as easily argue that if LBJ played in the west he might not have any rings, because they never had to play a playoff team until they got to the finals, whereas Kobe's teams were always going through 2 championship caliber teams before even getting to the finals...and then they still had the finals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by IKnowHoops View Post
    Dude, you love to ignore anything that doesn’t support your claim.

    They were 3rd with him an 9th when he came back. The kids gave up after there names were in trade rumors. Your a bigger fool than I thought if you think that team does better with Kobe. He was no leader of rookies. He dogged his teammates. Your eye test sucks kid. There is not a single stat that tells you Kobe would of done better. And there are mountains of statistics the show Lebron gets you more wins than Kobe. You’ve proven to be the biggest idiot in here. You are as biased as humanly possible and you ignore every statistic that proves you wrong and have zero statistical evidence to support an argument. Your basically 9 years old son.
    The only statistic that matters is 5 > 3

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    Quote Originally Posted by IKnowHoops View Post
    Kobe was carried to Rings, while Lebron carried teams.

    Kobe’s last ring tells it all. 5-25 fg and stillwins on the strength of his teammates.

    Lebron has never been on a team good enough for him to win playing so poorly.

    Not to mention Shaq carried him to his first 3

    Stop playin bigmove

    You can get away with that talk in here, you come outside your hole to the main forum with this BS you’ll get laughed off of this site
    Lol what a joke this is...LBJ has never been able to win a single title legitimately. Not one. He had to form super teams to do it dude. Truth hurts, I suppose

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    Quote Originally Posted by IKnowHoops View Post
    Kobe was carried to Rings, while Lebron carried teams.

    Kobe’s last ring tells it all. 5-25 fg and stillwins on the strength of his teammates.

    Lebron has never been on a team good enough for him to win playing so poorly.

    Not to mention Shaq carried him to his first 3

    Stop playin bigmove

    You can get away with that talk in here, you come outside your hole to the main forum with this BS you’ll get laughed off of this site
    Also, that's hilarious that you think I would care what the main forum would have to say. I'm someone who can actually write articles and books about this stuff (and I don't mean in these weak places like bleacher report). You probably live with your parents lol
    Last edited by Big Moves03; 10-02-2019 at 07:12 PM.

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    Number of legitimate titles won by MJ: 6
    Number of legitimate titles on by Kobe: 5
    Number of legitimate titles won by Kareem: 6
    Number of legitimate titles won by Magic: 5
    Number of legitimate titles won by Shaq: 4
    Number of legitimate titles won by Russell: 11
    Number of legitimate titles won by Bird: 3
    Number of legitimate titles won by Hakeem: 2
    Number of legitimate titles won by LBJ: 0

    Which one doesn't belong??? I think it's pretty clear. Those are facts...like them or not, it is what it is.

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    Well Kobe has also won with talented teams to. He’s never won a title as the lone star so to knock one player for having other stars and praise the other is not an argument. No knock on Kobe he was a bad bad man. It have or had way more players like Kobe. Its hard press to find another like Lebron.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ldawg View Post
    Well Kobe has also won with talented teams to. He’s never won a title as the lone star so to knock one player for having other stars and praise the other is not an argument. No knock on Kobe he was a bad bad man. It have or had way more players like Kobe. Its hard press to find another like Lebron.
    LBJ hd a lot more star players though and faced far less competition year in and year out and won less. That's the important thing. Not sure what you're talking about there being other players like Kobe. Name one player since MJ who won a 3-peat and then had a team completely rebuilt from scratch around him to win two more in a back-to-back. I've yet to see anyone do that or come anywhere close to doing that. Kobe basically had two stars his entire career, whereas you can build an entire all-star team around the star players LBJ has had and still have an all-star 6th man...and he's still only won 3.

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    Why degrade lebron rings when he’s been the best player on his team for all 3 meaning he has more finals mvp than Kobe. Again rings is a tie breaker not a measurement

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    Quote Originally Posted by ldawg View Post
    Why degrade lebron rings when he’s been the best player on his team for all 3 meaning he has more finals mvp than Kobe. Again rings is a tie breaker not a measurement
    Because he essentially cheated to get them. A lot of guys could have won a lot titles like that. Kobe could have won a lot of titles if he just jumped from contender to contender. KD has 2 and I don't consider those to be too valuable either, just like I don't consider LBJ's to be too valuable. Titles are what matters for stars. Numbers are meaningless if they aren't in the service of your team winning.

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    Mj, Ai, tmac, Carter, wade, hill, etc some of whom got injured. Having a guy like shaq makes things easier.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ldawg View Post
    Mj, Ai, tmac, Carter, wade, hill, etc some of whom got injured. Having a guy like shaq makes things easier.
    What about pau? He won a back-to-back with pau. Tmac had ming and wade also had shaq and LBJ and wade. None of those guys come close to doing what kobe did so it's not a comparison. It's really too bad that you didn't really realize what you were watching when you were seeing kobe. Wade, who is basically LBJ's BFF has gone on record saying that Kobe was the player of their generation, not LBJ. He explicitly said that in an interview. Bosh said the same thing. These guys played with LBJ in the peak of his prime and they're letting you know what it is. Players who played with and against them know what it was. Shaq has said the same. What else do you need. 5 > 3 and it's like that for a reason.

    https://ftw.usatoday.com/2015/11/dwy...reatest-player

    https://heatnation.com/media/chris-b...er-generation/
    Last edited by Big Moves03; 10-02-2019 at 07:30 PM.

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    Kobe had shaq and cried to get a player like Pau. Ask Pop if Kobe did not cheat

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    Pau was one of the leagues top skilled big man. Put he’s tangibles in the triangle with Odom and Kobe you have a very good team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ldawg View Post
    Kobe had shaq and cried to get a player like Pau. Ask Pop if Kobe did not cheat
    Go see what Wade and Bosh had to say on this matter. Pau was traded to the lakers and was one player...LBJ has had an entire all-star starting 5 of teammates. Not really a comparison. LBJ has had a lot more help, played weaker competition and won less. That's what the facts are dude.

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