The Offseason Lounge

[hanton]

So not sure what happened. Jays HPD has been in place since 2016.

[statquo]

2/26 get it done for EE ?

Unless Yankees pick up his $20m option.

I was thinking the same. We need a big bat, whether it fills a spot around the diamond too or not.

I think Ross and Shap will stick their plan and move onto pitching this offseason. We’re not competing so rather spend money on pitching.

[Jamiecballer]

AA...Atkins...AA ...Atkins. Come on

Alex doesnt have some crazy impressive resume even if it does boast more than Atkins. And the point was about attachment to the city so it's sort of a red herring. Donaldson seemed to be more upset that he had to leave than bitter with his bosses IMO.

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[hanton]

Alex doesnt have some crazy impressive resume even if it does boast more than Atkins. And the point was about attachment to the city so it's sort of a red herring. Donaldson seemed to be more upset that he had to leave than bitter with his bosses IMO.

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I would like them both back but it's going to take alot to sign JD

[Jamiecballer]

I would like them both back but it's going to take alot to sign JD

I dont know, I feel like it really wouldn't. I don't know why. I mean, if it's a fairly short term deal does anyone care how much it is.

Or perhaps you weren't talking about money

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[hanton]

I dont know, I feel like it really wouldn't. I don't know why. I mean, if it's a fairly short term deal does anyone care how much it is.

Or perhaps you weren't talking about money

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Money. I think he is due for a good raise.

[ChongInc.]

Money. I think he is due for a good raise.

Yeah I think he will sign for the biggest pay day. He was basically robbed of his big FA contract due to injuries. For an mvp he hasn’t made a ton of money like other guys.

[statquo]

I dont know, I feel like it really wouldn't. I don't know why. I mean, if it's a fairly short term deal does anyone care how much it is.

Or perhaps you weren't talking about money

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I can’t see him getting a huge raise if he’s also looking for some term. I can see something like 4-$90? Maybe not even.

[FLeays]

I can’t see him getting a huge raise if he’s also looking for some term. I can see something like 4-$90? Maybe not even.

I'm not sure how many teams will be willing to invest that in JD. The league is shifting to giving out money to younger players that are about to hit their prime. Teams aren't willing to spend on what a player has done in the past.

[mike_noodles]

I'd say he's likely looking at 2/45-50 .

[statquo]

I’ve been thinking and I was wondering what people thought. If you’re rebuilding, and with how players are hitting record number of homeruns, and with teams really pushing launch angle and all that, would it make sense for a rebuilding team to move the fences out to give your team a better chance at winning games against superior lineups? Of course you’re handicapping your lineup as well, but would that be an effective strategy?

[hanton]

I’ve been thinking and I was wondering what people thought. If you’re rebuilding, and with how players are hitting record number of homeruns, and with teams really pushing launch angle and all that, would it make sense for a rebuilding team to move the fences out to give your team a better chance at winning games against superior lineups? Of course you’re handicapping your lineup as well, but would that be an effective strategy?

No idea if that's possible or even allowed. I guess a case would have to be made and submited the the MLB. Padres did the opposite a few years back but that was more to due with making the park fairer to hitters - apparently not enough home runs. Also have to think from a fan perspective - home runs are exciting.

[bartron_44]

I can't see the Yankees not picking up the $20M option on EE for next season. Here's a crazy potential scenario......what if Atkins and Shapiro aren't kidding and they have been saving up for this moment? What if they let their money do the talking this off season and do the following:


1) Sign JD to a 3 year/65M dollar front loaded deal (25-25-20)
2) Sign Zach Wheeler to a 4 year/80M dollar front loaded deal (25-25-15-15)
3) Sign Jake Odorizzi to a 3 year/50M dollar front loaded deal (20-15-15)
4) Sign Dallas Keuchel to a 3 year/65M dollar front loaded deal (25-25-15)
5) Sign Will Smith to a 3 year/35M dollar front loaded deal (15-10-10)

Yes, I realize that is 110M in FA's, but they have the money to spend (so they say) and those are 5 guys that fit major needs on this team moving forward. None of them should be able to command a 5+ year contract in this new market, so they are guys I think they could be at least feasible. (although very unlikely)..

Lineup:

Bichette- SS
Biggio- 2B
Donaldson- 3B
Vladdy- RF
Gurriel- LF
Tellez- 1B
Hernandez- DH
Grichuk- CF
Jansen- C

Bench- McKinney, McGuire, Valera


Rotation: Keuchel, Odorizzi, Wheeler, Shoemaker, Pearson

Bullpen: Giles, Smith, Law, Boshers, Shafer, Pannone, Bergen, Baker

After they sign JD to bring him back where he belongs, break the news to Vladdy that after he gets in shape that he will be needing his OF glove again. If they have signed a player like JD I am sure he will understand.

3 year deals are ideal for them this off season imo because that will give them stability for the next 3 seasons while the kids are maturing on rookie deals. Then when they are ready to start making some serious money all those big contracts will be coming off the books and getting replaced by cheap in house guys like Groshans, SWR, Manoah and Pardinho.

[hanton]

I can't see the Yankees not picking up the $20M option on EE for next season. Here's a crazy potential scenario......what if Atkins and Shapiro aren't kidding and they have been saving up for this moment? What if they let their money do the talking this off season and do the following:


1) Sign JD to a 3 year/65M dollar front loaded deal (25-25-20)
2) Sign Zach Wheeler to a 4 year/80M dollar front loaded deal (25-25-15-15)
3) Sign Jake Odorizzi to a 3 year/50M dollar front loaded deal (20-15-15)
4) Sign Dallas Keuchel to a 3 year/65M dollar front loaded deal (25-25-15)
5) Sign Will Smith to a 3 year/35M dollar front loaded deal (15-10-10)

Yes, I realize that is 110M in FA's, but they have the money to spend (so they say) and those are 5 guys that fit major needs on this team moving forward. None of them should be able to command a 5+ year contract in this new market, so they are guys I think they could be at least feasible. (although very unlikely)..

Lineup:

Bichette- SS
Biggio- 2B
Donaldson- 3B
Vladdy- RF
Gurriel- LF
Tellez- 1B
Hernandez- DH
Grichuk- CF
Jansen- C

Bench- McKinney, McGuire, Valera


Rotation: Keuchel, Odorizzi, Wheeler, Shoemaker, Pearson

Bullpen: Giles, Smith, Law, Boshers, Shafer, Pannone, Bergen, Baker

After they sign JD to bring him back where he belongs, break the news to Vladdy that after he gets in shape that he will be needing his OF glove again. If they have signed a player like JD I am sure he will understand.

3 year deals are ideal for them this off season imo because that will give them stability for the next 3 seasons while the kids are maturing on rookie deals. Then when they are ready to start making some serious money all those big contracts will be coming off the books and getting replaced by cheap in house guys like Groshans, SWR, Manoah and Pardinho.

I like it. It address the rotation, a big bat and a big arm in the pen. At least make the offers, shows the fans and league that we are serious and not just in re-build mode.

Problem though, Wheeler for sure will be qualified by the Mets so a sign would mean forfeiting a pick. Same with Odorizzi but there's a chance the Twins let him walk. If we can get Odorizzi and Keuchel that would go a long way in solidifying the starting pitching.

[wamco]

Won’t josh get a QO as well?