The Offseason Lounge

[R. Johnson#3]

Plenty - especially early on. Rookie GM’s make a lot of mistakes as they develop. I’ve never implied AA was perfect or infallible. I just liked his philosophy for the ALE.


I’m still concerned about Atkins. Sure he bid 30mil more than the next team to land springer, but what now? Springer feels more like an ownership development rather than an Atkins development. Atkins didn’t **** it up so he gets credit for that. Landing bauer would be big because so many other teams are in on him. That one will take some selling from Atkins.

Hell has officially frozen over.

[R. Johnson#3]

Those multiple 2 week stretches per season are enough for me to believe. Most kids can’t do that at his age. He has at least 2 more seasons before I start giving up on him.

If his slash line in 2021 is a replica of 2019 and 2020 then I think he needs to be traded ASAP while he still may have some value. Vladdy is basically a human Hail Mary pass. His bat can’t just be “okay” it needs to be huge considering he brings nothing else to the table.

[R. Johnson#3]

Think it was the Dickey deal that depleted the farm, not the Miami deal. After Miami, we were already getting praise as an AL East contender and we still had Noah, D'Arnaud, Sanchez and Stroman in the farm.

We gave them DeSclafini, Marisnick and Nicollino in that deal on top of Henderson Alvarez and Hech. Marlins had a choice between Sanchez, Thor and Nicollino yet they chose Nicollino. We definitely depleted the farm in that deal. The Dickey trade was the nail in the coffin.

[Raps18-19 Champ]

We gave them DeSclafini, Marisnick and Nicollino in that deal on top of Henderson Alvarez and Hech. Marlins had a choice between Sanchez, Thor and Nicollino yet they chose Nicollino. We definitely depleted the farm in that deal. The Dickey trade was the nail in the coffin.

Yea I meant like that final nail. Our farm was still in relatively good shape despite the marlins deal given they were mostly lower level. That dickey deal was bad since we gave up our top 2 prospects.

[Raps18-19 Champ]

The decision the play him 3B was kinda weird given it was obvious he had to shift at some point. But i think they needed a reason to justify keeping him in the minors longer.

[R. Johnson#3]

The decision the play him 3B was kinda weird given it was obvious he had to shift at some point. But i think they needed a reason to justify keeping him in the minors longer.

Atkins told us the reason they kept him down. It’s because he’s fat lol. We all thought it was b/s myself included. The last 2 years have proven he has issues keeping his weight down though.

[R. Johnson#3]

Yea I meant like that final nail. Our farm was still in relatively good shape despite the marlins deal given they were mostly lower level. That dickey deal was bad since we gave up our top 2 prospects.

Marisnick and Nicollino were both top 5 in our system at the time they were dealt. Alvarez was a former top Jays prospect who had just graduated and Hech was a highly touted International prospect.

Our farm never was in good shape to begin with in 2012.

[Raps18-19 Champ]

Marisnick and Nicollino were both top 5 in our system at the time they were dealt. Alvarez was a former top Jays prospect who had just graduated and Hech was a highly touted International prospect.

Our farm never was in good shape to begin with in 2012.

Alvarez was good but Hevh was kinda what he was. The other guys were good but we still had other prospects that made the league as well.

That farm wasnt good in status at the time since so many were lower level (so not many top 100 at the time) but that farm had many future MLB players. If he held onto it a few years then it woulda been a top farm. We still had enough lower level guys plus we replenished that 3 years after, they got Donaldson, Tulo and Price too.

[ChongInc.]

Think it was the Dickey deal that depleted the farm, not the Miami deal. After Miami, we were already getting praise as an AL East contender and we still had Noah, D'Arnaud, Sanchez and Stroman in the farm.

In general that entire offseason was smoke. At least everyone fell for it - experts, pundits, GM’s, scouts, Vegas...

[ChongInc.]

Alvarez was good but Hevh was kinda what he was. The other guys were good but we still had other prospects that made the league as well.

That farm wasnt good in status at the time since so many were lower level (so not many top 100 at the time) but that farm had many future MLB players. If he held onto it a few years then it woulda been a top farm. We still had enough lower level guys plus we replenished that 3 years after, they got Donaldson, Tulo and Price too.

Yeah the game was put to good use down the stretch, and the players that got promoted performed in key roles.

[wamco]

Profar probably gonna get starter opportunities.

About the time I finally get some profar talk going finally, sd resigns him. 3/21 was surprising.

[R. Johnson#3]

Alvarez was good but Hevh was kinda what he was. The other guys were good but we still had other prospects that made the league as well.

That farm wasnt good in status at the time since so many were lower level (so not many top 100 at the time) but that farm had many future MLB players. If he held onto it a few years then it woulda been a top farm. We still had enough lower level guys plus we replenished that 3 years after, they got Donaldson, Tulo and Price too.

Yeah because AA was great at selling off prospects before people realized they sucked. Hoffman, Norris, Boyd, Castro, Marisnick, Nicollino, Hech etc. His methods were exciting but they were unsustainable. You can't field a winner if you're constantly trading prospects for guys in their 30's. There has to be a mix. The only players to actually make it to the Jays through AA's farm were Pillar, Goins, Stroman, Osuna and Sanchez. That's literally it.

[ChongInc.]

Hell has officially frozen over.

Lol. Pretty hard to screw up bidding 30mil more than the closest competition.

[ChongInc.]

Yeah because AA was great at selling off prospects before people realized they sucked. Hoffman, Norris, Boyd, Castro, Marisnick, Nicollino, Hech etc. His methods were exciting but they were unsustainable. You can't field a winner if you're constantly trading prospects for guys in their 30's. There has to be a mix. The only players to actually make it to the Jays through AA's farm were Pillar, Goins, Stroman, Osuna and Sanchez. That's literally it.

You said there has to be a mix, and then listed off the mix.

Given the scenario (ALE vulnerability), I’m glad he made the moves he did. It was the time to strike.

Atkins has been fortunate that the Sox are a dumpster fire. He’s had an extended window to operate with.

[ChongInc.]

Lol ripped this from Reddit:

Fun Fact: Michael Brantley's ~2 hour Blue Jays career was more valuable than the following recent Blue Jays
Brandon Drury (-2.3 WAR)

Edwin Jackson (-1.6 WAR)

Anthony Alford (-0.7 WAR)

Socrates Brito (-0.7 WAR)

Chase Anderson (-0.5 WAR)

Shun Yamaguchi (-0.7 WAR)

Derek Fisher (-0.6 WAR)

Daniel Vogelbach (-0.1 WAR)

Richard Urena (-0.2 WAR)

Clay Buchholz (-0.4 WAR)

Clayton Richard (-0.2 WAR)

Gift Ngoepe (-0.2 WAR)

Jonathan Davis (-0.3 WAR)

Tanner Roark (-0.4 WAR)

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We'll miss you Michael! a true Canadian baseball legend.