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  1. #196
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    Quote Originally Posted by Pierzynski4Prez View Post
    But if we plan to take the payroll above 125, and we know we have enough for a SP and Castellanos says he'd sign for something reasonable I wouldn't oppose as long as it doesn't take us out of the running for one of the better SPs out there


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    100%. While a big signing in RF would be nice, not at the expense of what we need to get done in the rotation.

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    How much cap do the Sox have to spend? Can’t find anything online

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    I don’t know if that figure has ever been disclosed. The Sox have been very vague about payroll, only stating “the money” will be spent. I guess it makes sense to not commit yourself to any particular figure when you are in the Sox’ situation which is to say, they should have plenty.

    Considering what they should have been stockpiling the last several years, during the rebuild, and the projected revenues associated with putting a contending team on the field, I would think a payroll of $150-160 mil is not an unreasonable expectation.

    And, an argument can probably be made that it should go considerably above that.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Chi StateOfMind View Post
    How much cap do the Sox have to spend? Can’t find anything online
    2020 salary cap is $208 Million, White Sox sit at $83 right now

    https://www.spotrac.com/mlb/chicago-white-sox/payroll/
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sockeye View Post
    I don’t know if that figure has ever been disclosed. The Sox have been very vague about payroll, only stating “the money” will be spent. I guess it makes sense to not commit yourself to any particular figure when you are in the Sox’ situation which is to say, they should have plenty.

    Considering what they should have been stockpiling the last several years, during the rebuild, and the projected revenues associated with putting a contending team on the field, I would think a payroll of $150-160 mil is not an unreasonable expectation.

    And, an argument can probably be made that it should go considerably above that.
    Not sure if they'll ever really give a number. Just looking at payroll vs Revenue stream since 05 (doesn't include 2019 revenue).

    2006-2009 Avg. Revenue: 189 Million
    2006-2009 Avg. Payroll: 107 Million

    2010-2015 Avg. Revenue: 219 Million
    2010-2015 Avg. Payroll: 111 Million

    2016-2018 Avg. Revenue: 269 Million
    2016-2019 Avg. Payroll: 87 Million

    They definitely have been lining Jerry's pockets the since 2016 when revenue shot up from 240 million to nearly 270 million. I would love to think with cutting payroll on average 30 million the last 4 years we have much of that money to streamline into our budget for the foreseeable future. But also the fact that revenue in 2018 was 272 million, and I would bet it's up from 2018 to maybe around the 280 mark. Payroll is typically 48-52% of revenue in baseball so I'd like to think we made 280+ million in 2019, and can be on the high end of that scale based on recent savings. Taking payroll upwards of 145 million or more if Jerry is really "All-In."

    That gives us still about 50-60 million to use in FA this winter. So maybe we can still add the likes of Wheeler, Castellanos, and Pomeranz.

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    Abreu back on a 3 yr 50 million deal. Steal for what he’s done here. Love it, Wheeler and Castellanos please

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    The Chicago White Sox agreed Friday to a three-year, $50 million contract extension with All-Star first baseman Jose Abreu.

    Abreu had already accepted the team's one-year, $17.8 million qualifying offer, essentially making Friday's move a two-year, $32.2 million extension.

    The White Sox have become the fastest deal maker in the offseason. The Abreu contract comes one day after they signed catcher Yasmani Grandal to a four-year, $73 million free-agent deal.

    Abreu, 32, batted .284 this past season with 33 home runs and an American League-leading 123 RBIs. The three-time All-Star is a career .293 hitter with 179 home runs and 611 RBIs over six seasons.

    In addition to a $5 million signing bonus, Abreu will make $11 million in 2020, $16 million in 2021 and $18 million in 2022, with $4 million of that 2022 salary deferred.
    Accounting for the bonus and 2020 salary of 11 million, seems we saved 1.8 million for 2020 with the extension. Not much but helpful if we need it.

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    With the Abreu extension, does this make Collins and Vaughan trade chips?

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    Well deserved extension for Jose!

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sockeye View Post
    With the Abreu extension, does this make Collins and Vaughan trade chips?
    Collins has very little value right now and Vaughn, maybe in a blockbuster deal. If the Sox signed Rendon I could see Vaughn dangled in a deal for some pitching.
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    Jerry made it clear a while back that he was going to keep Abreu right here in Chicago and he is a man of his word. Loyalty, leadership, and character matter, at least as far as Jerry is concerned. It shouldn't always just be about the money and winning at any cost.

    The window for winning given the current talent and contractual commitments is narrow...probably within the next three years - 2020, 21, 22. Given that, I agree with the muttman that Vaughn might be a trade chip. So, maybe trade Vaughn and/or Collins and get a RF whose prime years will overlap with the prime years of Grandal, Abreu and other core players. That might make more sense than waiting for Vaughn to develop and replace Abreu .
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    Abreu had to be a part of the turn around. How bad would our FO look if they low balled him after that bargain of the century contract that he vastly out performed.

    I think when it comes to getting veterans we should be looking at 1-4 year contracts max, with the exception of signing an elite player. That way when our young players are starting to be up for big deals, the veterans contracts will be off the books. We should be able to have some long term sustained success if we make the right moves.

    Throw a nice contract at Pomeranz.
    Go after a short term RF'er to hopefully make a run at Mookie next year.
    Go after all the big pitchers and hope to land 1.

    3B, 2B, SS, C, 1B, CF, LF, 3.5 SP spots are all locked in for us. Just need that front line starter and RF/DH with some BP additions to really help the back end of our rotation and lock down big games.

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    Wonder what we are offering? I think we should save a significant amount taking him over Cole, Stras, and even Bumgarner. Should leave us plenty of money for the Pen and another veteran OF/DH

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    I don’t know, but I don’t like the fact that this info is leaking. It always seems like when there is a lot of chatter about how close we are on a guy and how we might be a front runner, it always seems to get derailed in the end.
    Our successes, or the few we have had, seem to be a bit more stealthy. But, we will see.

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