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    Quote Originally Posted by KG2TB View Post
    I want a complete HC for my team. Someone who doesnít rely on a singular system. The best coaches adapt and are well versed in multiple areas with their side of the ball. Nagy only seems to be well versed with passing and isnít very good with run schemes. Not very comforting being a HC. Shanny has always been a guy who loves the run and gets production on the ground, but he also had a prolific passing attack in Atlanta. Now that he has a limited QB, he leans heavy on the run game with multiple formations. Thatís adaptation. Thatís a good coach. Nagy is a specialist who needs perfect players to run his scheme. If he doesnít have that, heís not going to coach his way out of it. JG threw the ball 8 times into GBs nickel/dime defense. Nagy has Mitch throw nearly 100 times in 2 games lol

    Sure, SFs run game is much better than the Bears but still....the disparity is insane and clearly some of the worst game planning/play calling Iíve ever seen.
    I've soured on Nagy plenty, but I still have hope there's something there with his own QB. I know I keep going back to the Chiefs, but it feels appropriate. Anyway, Andy Reid's offenses aren't known for having a great running game either (it does happen now and then, but I digress). I don't think there's enough evidence to suggest Nagy can't produce competent run game offenses.

    Also considering all of the dopes we've seen as OCs in Chicago, I think it's flat out wrong to say his is some of the worst planning/calling you've seen. It's been disappointing, but I still think the jury is out, particularly until he gets a chance with a QB that isn't Mitch.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KG2TB View Post
    I want a complete HC for my team. Someone who doesnít rely on a singular system. The best coaches adapt and are well versed in multiple areas with their side of the ball. Nagy only seems to be well versed with passing and isnít very good with run schemes. Not very comforting being a HC. Shanny has always been a guy who loves the run and gets production on the ground, but he also had a prolific passing attack in Atlanta. Now that he has a limited QB, he leans heavy on the run game with multiple formations. Thatís adaptation. Thatís a good coach. Nagy is a specialist who needs perfect players to run his scheme. If he doesnít have that, heís not going to coach his way out of it. JG threw the ball 8 times into GBs nickel/dime defense. Nagy has Mitch throw nearly 100 times in 2 games lol

    Sure, SFs run game is much better than the Bears but still....the disparity is insane and clearly some of the worst game planning/play calling Iíve ever seen.
    Still think Mitch is so bad, didn't matter what system he ran this year. Especially with that oline.


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    I guess. But itís funny these excuses were never applied to Fox. Literally no offensive playmakers (Howard maybe) . No Khalil Mack. A rookie Mitch. I donít recall guys giving Fox the Nagy excuses. Fox was notoriously bad with situational football/in game calls and Nagy has rivaled him. Basically just as bad with that if not worse. Fox at least had a run game though. Not saying Nagy canít/wonít be better, but I donít think thereís any guarantee he will either. I suspect if he had the personality of Fox, heíd have no supporters by now. Likewise, if Fox had Nagys charm, he would have had more supporters.

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    Quote Originally Posted by La_bibbers View Post
    I've soured on Nagy plenty, but I still have hope there's something there with his own QB. I know I keep going back to the Chiefs, but it feels appropriate. Anyway, Andy Reid's offenses aren't known for having a great running game either (it does happen now and then, but I digress). I don't think there's enough evidence to suggest Nagy can't produce competent run game offenses.

    Also considering all of the dopes we've seen as OCs in Chicago, I think it's flat out wrong to say his is some of the worst planning/calling you've seen. It's been disappointing, but I still think the jury is out, particularly until he gets a chance with a QB that isn't Mitch.
    Throwing nearly 100 times in 2 games against GB with Mitch as your QB. Yes, thatís as bad as Iíve ever seen it. Especially since both games were close. It was a trash game plan if you could even call it that.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KG2TB View Post
    Throwing nearly 100 times in 2 games against GB with Mitch as your QB. Yes, thatís as bad as Iíve ever seen it. Especially since both games were close. It was a trash game plan if you could even call it that.
    Marc Trestman was a dope, but he actually said something pretty smart- balance doesn't always matter. The Packers were stacking the box and making Mitch play QB more noticeably than even most teams we played last year. It would've been just as bad, if not, worse to run into a stacked box with our run blocking. As far as he was concerned, he had to hope Mitch would make the reads/passes he couldn't and that GB was daring him to. Tramon Williams said it as much. All they had to do was make Mitch play QB.

    I've gone back and forth on how Nagy should've adjusted the scheme, and I still think a better, more experienced playcaller could have made something work with Mitch last year, but right now, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
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    Quote Originally Posted by KG2TB View Post
    I guess. But itís funny these excuses were never applied to Fox. Literally no offensive playmakers (Howard maybe) . No Khalil Mack. A rookie Mitch. I donít recall guys giving Fox the Nagy excuses. Fox was notoriously bad with situational football/in game calls and Nagy has rivaled him. Basically just as bad with that if not worse. Fox at least had a run game though. Not saying Nagy canít/wonít be better, but I donít think thereís any guarantee he will either. I suspect if he had the personality of Fox, heíd have no supporters by now. Likewise, if Fox had Nagys charm, he would have had more supporters.
    Fox also had an extensive history of having ******* offenses. Nagy has been a HC two years.


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    Quote Originally Posted by La_bibbers View Post
    Marc Trestman was a dope, but he actually said something pretty smart- balance doesn't always matter. The Packers were stacking the box and making Mitch play QB more noticeably than even most teams we played last year. It would've been just as bad, if not, worse to run into a stacked box with our run blocking. As far as he was concerned, he had to hope Mitch would make the reads/passes he couldn't and that GB was daring him to. Tramon Williams said it as much. All they had to do was make Mitch play QB.

    I've gone back and forth on how Nagy should've adjusted the scheme, and I still think a better, more experienced playcaller could have made something work with Mitch last year, but right now, I'm willing to give him the benefit of the doubt.
    In the 2nd game GB was in nickel and dime packages for the whole game. 100% of the time.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Cubby View Post
    Fox also had an extensive history of having ******* offenses. Nagy has been a HC two years.


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    His first year his offense was mediocre at best. Thatís with a ton of good field position. The run game took a step back as well. His 2nd year the offense imploded and the run game was as bad as itís been in recent memory. Prior to being HC, he had a grand total of 6 games calling plays. Sorry if Iím not overly sold on Nagy to this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KG2TB View Post
    His first year his offense was mediocre at best. Thatís with a ton of good field position. The run game took a step back as well. His 2nd year the offense imploded and the run game was as bad as itís been in recent memory. Prior to being HC, he had a grand total of 6 games calling plays. Sorry if Iím not overly sold on Nagy to this point.
    No one is overly sold on him. There is a reasonable amount of hope he can be salvaged with a better QB.

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    Quote Originally Posted by La_bibbers View Post
    No one is overly sold on him. There is a reasonable amount of hope he can be salvaged with a better QB.
    Sure hope so. He still makes me nervous late in the game as far as situational football goes. Heís very Fox-esque in that regard. But for all of our sakes, I hope he proves he could lead a good/great offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KG2TB View Post
    Sure hope so. He still makes me nervous late in the game as far as situational football goes. Heís very Fox-esque in that regard. But for all of our sakes, I hope he proves he could lead a good/great offense.
    To be fair, he comes from the Andy Reid tree, and he's always been awful in late game situations.

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    Quote Originally Posted by DamnGoat View Post
    To be fair, he comes from the Andy Reid tree, and he's always been awful in late game situations.
    True. But also to be fair, Reid pretty much always has great offenses (and special teams). Thatíd be cool to see here lol....maybe it is all Mitch. I doubt it, but maybe it is.

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    Quote Originally Posted by KG2TB View Post
    True. But also to be fair, Reid pretty much always has great offenses (and special teams). Thatíd be cool to see here lol....maybe it is all Mitch. I doubt it, but maybe it is.
    A big part is Mitch. Nagy needs to improve, but he was an inexperienced play caller when he got this job. It's not unusual for these guys to take some time to develop as a HC and an offensive play caller. It can also take time to find the right personnel, especially at QB, but we were also without any TE production, and the OL took a massive step back.

    I think it's a good sign that he brought in a couple of former OC's (Lazor, Flip)...maybe he realizes he needs to be better and have a couple other experienced voices in the room?
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    Quote Originally Posted by DamnGoat View Post
    A big part is Mitch. Navy needs to improve, but he was an inexperienced play caller when he got this job. It's not unusual for these guys to take some time to develop as a HC and an offensive play caller. I think it's a good sign that he brought in a couple of former OC's (Lazor, Flip)...maybe he realizes he needs to be better and have a couple other experienced voices in the room?
    Everyone is experienced lol

    Nagy, Pace and Mitch are all experienced. So weíre waiting for Nagy to grow and get better as a play caller (not to mention game planner, decision maker), but weíre out on Mitch and Pace who also are inexperienced? And how long do we give Nagy to grow? I get that we really have no choice, but if Nagy shows improvement, and the QB /offensive production gets better, it only helps Pace and possibly Mitch...depending if heís the starter with improved results.


    Edit: Meant to say inexperienced, not experienced
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