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    Quote Originally Posted by RedSoxtober View Post
    Just as importantly... name names. It's easy to say who you might dump. It's harder to suggest a good trade that makes sense for both sides. Would you trade Price+Benintendi to San Diego for Margot+Ryan Weathers (RHP prospect)+CJ Abrams (2B/SS prospect). That move alone clears around $34M. It might need to be more like Wil Myers and the prospects (swap meh contracts) for a $24M savings. In either case there's an OF to replace Benintendi (CF in Margot makes JBJ expendable for the rest of the savings hoped for).
    Ahem...

    Kevin Acee of the San Diego Union-Tribune reports that the Padres are willing to send two young major leaguers and at least one prospect along with Wil Myers to the Red Sox in a potential trade for Mookie Betts.
    More specifically, Acee hears that the Padres are willing to trade one outfielder -- Manuel Margot or Josh Naylor -- and one starting pitcher -- Cal Quantrill or Joey Lucchesi -- as part of the deal. Talks aren't just about the players involved, as Acee notes that the Padres want the Red Sox to cover more of the $61 million remaining on Myers' contract. As of now, the Red Sox are said to be offering to cover about half of it. Of course, the Padres would cover Betts' $27 million salary for 2020. There's work to be done here, but that talks have even gotten this far is significant. Alex Speier of the Boston Globe reported on Sunday that the NL West rival Dodgers also "remained engaged" on Betts.
    I suggested SDP earlier in the offseason for Mookie and a prospect-first deal, specifically looking for a SP prospect and 2B prospect to headline. This particular iteration (above) was focused on Price/Benintendi in response to an open ended trade suggestion but it might be close to the truth.

    Given the choice, I'd take better prospects to reset the payroll. Going with Myers (apparently with cash to offset his back-loaded contract) and two players with minimal MLB experience gives a somewhat better floor. I'd probably try to take back Naylor and Quantrill. Both give more control and a higher ceiling. Myers provides some experience at 1B and potential flexibility in the OF (Benintendi/Bradley shifting).

    Seems like a lot of smoke here... particularly if the disagreement is over cash to be exchanged rather than players.

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    According to multiple major league sources, the Red Sox continue to discuss the possibility of a Mookie Betts trade with multiple suitors. The team is weighing potential combinations of big leaguers and prospects offered by the Padres as well as the Dodgers, and remains engaged with both teams about a possible deal involving their superstar right fielder.

    The fact that discussions are ongoing with multiple teams is not a guarantee that Betts will be dealt. It’s possible the Red Sox will enter the 2020 regular season with their superstar — with the possibility of exploring his trade value at the deadline if the team is not clearly in contention. But the team’s willingness to consider dealing the four-time All-Star and 2018 AL MVP appears serious.

    Los Angeles features the financial and roster flexibility to entertain numerous trade scenarios with the Sox. The Dodgers could take Betts straight up in a deal that would include major league talent (likely starting with an everyday outfielder given that Betts would give LA surplus depth) along with multiple prospects.

    The Dodgers also could consider an acquisition of both Betts and a starting pitcher such as David Price, thus giving the Red Sox a clear path to getting under the $208 million luxury tax threshold and financial flexibility for years to come. In such a scenario, the Dodgers either could part with either a relatively young, inexpensive outfielder such as 23-year-old Alex Verdugo (who hit .294/.342/.475 in 106 games before injuries left him unable to play after Aug. 4) or more expensive options (Joc Pederson or A.J. Pollock) to receive greater prospect return.

    On the prospect front, in a Betts deal, the Dodgers likely would consider moving anyone outside of middle infielder Gavin Lux (ranked the No. 4 prospect in the game in Baseball America’s recent top-100 list) and righthander Dustin May (ranked No. 20). Los Angeles featured five additional prospects in Baseball America’s top 100, including catcher Keibert Ruiz (No. 81, with an atypical ability to hit for average but below-average power), righthander Tony Gonsolin (No. 82, a big league-ready starter in 2020), righthander Josiah Gray (No. 84), infielder Jeter Downs (No. 86), and catcher Diego Cartaya (No. 97, having cracked the list after an impressive pro debut as a 17-year-old in 2019).

    The Dodgers long have viewed Betts as a rare talent. The team is almost certain to make a significant push to land him in free agency, presuming (as seems all but certain) that Betts reaches the open market after 2020.

    But Los Angeles also has considerable reason to pursue Betts for the coming season, one year before he hits the open market. After a 106-win season in 2019 — on the heels of back-to-back World Series appearances in 2017 and 2018 — Los Angeles has focused this offseason on efforts to add elite talent.

    To date, they’ve fallen short in their attempts to do so, watching Gerrit Cole, Stephen Strasburg, and Anthony Rendon head elsewhere. In Betts, however, they could acquire a player of similar — and potentially greater — impact. And if they broadened the package to include a starting pitcher such as Price or former Dodger Nate Eovaldi, LA could add a playoff-proven starter to help offset this winter’s free agent departures of Hyun-Jin Ryu and Rich Hill.

    Discussions with the Padres, by contrast, would require the Red Sox to take on the contract of Wil Myers. Myers — who performed at an All-Star level in 2016 and 2017 but has endured a considerable dropoff the last two years — would carry a significant price tag (he’s owed $61 million over the next three years with an average annual value of just under $14 million), thus diminishing the financial flexibility he’d afford the Red Sox in a Betts trade. Such a deal by itself would not get the Red Sox under the 2020 luxury tax threshold.

    But while San Diego wants to protect its top prospects — including lefthander MacKenzie Gore, righthander Luis Patino, shortstop C.J. Abrams, and outfielder Taylor Trammell — its farm system and big league roster are deep enough to keep them engaged with the Red Sox.

    The Padres could offer a major league-ready outfielder (perhaps Trent Grisham, a 2015 first-rounder who had a breakout 2019 season in Milwaukee’s system before reaching the big leagues) and pitcher (candidates might include righties Michel Baez and Cal Quantrill as well as lefty Joey Lucchesi).

    Additionally, the team could add multiple prospects, including catcher Luis Campusano, recently ranked No. 79 overall after a standout season in the High A California League. San Diego could also tack on Jake Cronenworth, who led the Triple A International League in average while posting a .334/.429/.520 line and threw 7⅓ scoreless innings and/or the No. 35 overall pick in the draft. (As a revenue-sharing recipient, San Diego has a Competitive Balance Round pick — in this case, in Round A, falling between the first and second rounds — that, unlike regular draft picks, can be traded.)

    The Sox have to weigh a number of variables in both packages: Which team has the more appealing proposal, whether either team is willing to add more to its proposal, whether either package is enough to justify parting with Betts, and whether either package is significantly better than what the Red Sox might be able to reap if they were to hold their 27-year-old four-time All-Star and 2018 AL MVP until the trade deadline.

    The answers to those questions does not yet appear to be clear. But it does appear clear that the Red Sox are wrestling with each of them.
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    In actual news...

    Red Sox re-signed 1B Mitch Moreland to a one-year, $2.5 million contract with a $3 million club option for 2021.
    Ken Rosenthal of The Athletic was first to pass along word of the agreement. Moreland posted a respectable .835 OPS with 19 home runs and 58 RBI in 91 games last year for Boston and always seemed destined to return for 2020, though it did take close to three months for the two parties to ultimately work out a deal. The veteran left-handed hitter will presumably reprise his role as a platoon option at first base this season. Michael Chavis figures to be the other half of that platoon, though he'll see some action at other positions too.
    Red Sox designated RHP Denyi Reyes for assignment.
    Reyes had an excellent showing in the lower minors in 2018 before struggling to a 4.16 ERA and 116/37 K/BB ratio over 151 1/3 innings last summer at Double-A Portland. The 23-year-old could draw interest on waivers.
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    Free-agent 1B Mitch Moreland signs one-year, $3M deal with #RedSox, source tells The Athletic. Salary of $2.5M in 2020 with $3M club option or $500,000K buyout for ‘21.
    Source: Ken Rosenthal

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    I am just at the point that I want the Mookie Betts saga to be over. He clearly isn't interested in staying in Boston unless he is getting the richest contract in baseball history which I have zero interest in paying him. a 35+ year old Mookie Betts with his body structure has a Dustin Pedroia situation written all over it and $35M+ per year is a massive hit to take if he hits that age and cant stay in the lineup. With spring training right around the corner, no manager hired and alot of question marks surrounding the health and durability of the starting rotation the best plan might be to use 2020 as a transition year and let the new GM do what he was brought in to do which is revamp the roster with younger cost controlled players opposed to handing out ridiculous contracts that always blow up in our face. If we can find a deal that sends Price with Betts in return for a young cost controlled outfielder and starting pitcher along with a couple of future pieces that have some good potential I think its time to jump on that

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    Probably not a surprise...
    According to Chris Cotillo of MassLive.com, Jason Varitek "appears to be a longshot" for the managerial opening in Boston.
    It sounds like the Red Sox are understandably leaning toward candidates with significant MLB or MiLB coaching experience -- something Varitek does not have -- after suddenly having to part ways with Alex Cora over his involvement in the Astros' sign-stealing scandal from 2017. Red Sox bench coach Ron Roenicke and Red Sox third base coach Carlos Febles are among the internal options, and Athletics quality control coach Mark Kotsay is also believed to be in the running. Mets bench coach Hensley Meulens has been mentioned as well, though it's unclear whether the Red Sox have asked permission to interview him.
    According to Chris Cotillo of MassLive.com, the Red Sox are "believed to have interest" in Mark Kotsay for their managerial opening.
    Cotillo notes that it is unclear whether Kotsay has interviewed yet for the job. The 44-year-old former major league outfielder has served as the Athletics' quality control coach since 2017, after stints as the bench coach in Oakland and as the hitting coach of the Padres. He played in Boston in 2008 and 2009. With about two weeks to go until the start of spring training, the Red Sox do not have a replacement for former manager Alex Cora.
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    Kris Bryant has lost his service time grievance against the Cubs, per ESPN's Jeff Passan.
    Bryant's side made the claim that the Cubs intentionally held him in the minor leagues in the early part of his 2015 rookie season in order to accrue an extra year of club control. And while that very well might be true, the case always looked to be an uphill battle for the star third baseman considering the precedent it would set and the way similar situations have been handled under the current collective bargaining agreement. With this ruling, Bryant remains on track for free agency after the 2021 season, rather than after 2020. He should be much more attractive to teams attempting to trade for him now that the issue has been settled.
    Slightly off topic for the Sox, though the decision certainly plays into how all teams will manage their young talent. Theo played these games with service time while he was in BOS and I'm sure that he did it with Bryant. So what? The rules are very clear and what Theo did is play within them.

    OF COURSE he did it to maintain an additional year of control. Here's the thing... if anyone had ruled against the Cubs then the entire system would necessarily collapse. "Well, I was active for 99 days but the cutoff was 100." Okay, we set it to 99... 98... 95... Sorry, at some point you simply say, "these are the rules -- go play within them."

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    Jon Heyman of MLB Network hears that the Red Sox might be "slow playing" their managerial search.
    In other words, Boston might be waiting to see what type of punishment will be handed down by Major League Baseball before deciding on who to replace Alex Cora. There's no word yet as to when that investigation will conclude, so it's a bit of a risky proposition considering how close the start of the season is. Known candidates include Red Sox bench coach Ron Roenicke and Red Sox third base coach Carlos Febles, Athletics quality control coach Mark Kotsay, and Mets bench coach Hensley Meulens.
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    According to Andy McCullough of The Athletic, the Dodgers front office "remains engaged with Boston" about a Mookie Betts trade.
    McCullough further adds that the "dialogue with Boston has approached a resolution" in recent days. It's unclear what names are being discussed -- the Dodgers are known to be reluctant to part with top prospects Gavin Lux and Dustin May -- but the financial resources are there and Los Angeles could potentially take on both the $27 million that Betts is owed in 2020 and the $96 million that David Price is due between 2020-2022. It sure sounds like this thing has legs, though the Padres are also said to be heavily involved.
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    Add ESPN’s Buster Olney to the list of those who believe Mookie Betts will be a Dodger soon.

    Listen to your team news NOW.

    “If I had to bet the family farm back in Vermont, I would say that the Red Sox will trade Betts before spring training (and) that he will go to the Dodgers,” he told Ordway, Merloni and Fauria on Thursday.

    Olney also expressed the Red Sox and Dodgers have discussed trades that include David Price in a Betts deal, and ones that don’t involve the left-handed pitcher. If Price is involved in the deal, Boston “won’t get as many good prospects.” The issue is Price’s elbow.

    “The question that’s being asked with other front offices is, ‘What would David’s value be if he were a free agent?’” Olney said. “What I’m getting back is one year, $12 million. Two years at $18 million, because of his elbow issues.”

    As for why Betts hasn’t inked a deal with the Red Sox, Olney expressed it has to do with the Players Association above all else.

    “(Mookie) understands his importance to the union,” Olney said. “And the union needs guys like him to get to free agency. We’ve seen guys like Gerrit Cole and how much they’ve pulled the numbers up. … and Mookie will have the ability to do that.”
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    Quote Originally Posted by RedSoxtober View Post
    Slightly off topic for the Sox, though the decision certainly plays into how all teams will manage their young talent. Theo played these games with service time while he was in BOS and I'm sure that he did it with Bryant. So what? The rules are very clear and what Theo did is play within them.

    OF COURSE he did it to maintain an additional year of control. Here's the thing... if anyone had ruled against the Cubs then the entire system would necessarily collapse. "Well, I was active for 99 days but the cutoff was 100." Okay, we set it to 99... 98... 95... Sorry, at some point you simply say, "these are the rules -- go play within them."
    Well, he also played an extra game in 2018 when the cubs and the brewers played for the division. He got a game 163, I've wondered how that affects things.

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    Quote Originally Posted by StryderSox View Post
    I am just at the point that I want the Mookie Betts saga to be over. He clearly isn't interested in staying in Boston unless he is getting the richest contract in baseball history which I have zero interest in paying him. a 35+ year old Mookie Betts with his body structure has a Dustin Pedroia situation written all over it and $35M+ per year is a massive hit to take if he hits that age and cant stay in the lineup. With spring training right around the corner, no manager hired and alot of question marks surrounding the health and durability of the starting rotation the best plan might be to use 2020 as a transition year and let the new GM do what he was brought in to do which is revamp the roster with younger cost controlled players opposed to handing out ridiculous contracts that always blow up in our face. If we can find a deal that sends Price with Betts in return for a young cost controlled outfielder and starting pitcher along with a couple of future pieces that have some good potential I think its time to jump on that
    http://dodgersdigest.com/2020/01/30/...-mookie-betts/

    Idk what you think of him, but the rumor going around in Dodger circles is it would be Verdugo plus a non-May pitcher. Verdugo still has 5 years of control and is making league min.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ciaban2.0 View Post
    http://dodgersdigest.com/2020/01/30/...-mookie-betts/

    Idk what you think of him, but the rumor going around in Dodger circles is it would be Verdugo plus a non-May pitcher. Verdugo still has 5 years of control and is making league min.
    If the pitcher is Gonsolin or Gray then I think you jump on that. Gonsolin I believe is also major league ready so probably makes alot of sense if Price is being included.

    Blood, Sweat and Beards!!!!!

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    Quote Originally Posted by StryderSox View Post
    If the pitcher is Gonsolin or Gray then I think you jump on that. Gonsolin I believe is also major league ready so probably makes alot of sense if Price is being included.
    He's either major league ready, or pretty darn close. He's ETA is this year, Gray needs at least one more year, though could see the show in Sept.

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