It’s time to move on from Carr

[Wolfe-Raider]

Additionally, throughout time the older generations have poked a little fun at the younger ones, still mentoring them and leaning on them later. You will end up doing the same.

[KobeOwnSU]

Ok. Sounds good. I’m not going to derail this thread.


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[fishedz]

All time 4th Quarter Comebacks. Won't take you long to find Carr.

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Keep Carr. Fix the defense. $$$$$.

He was 26th

I think a better stat to look at would be who he did against their record.

But really, he’s also the most losing QB since his brother. So he wins meaningless games against meaningless teams in the 4th in losing seasons. Wake me up when he has comebacks in the playoffs.

Until then, he is what his record says he is, not the new excuse each year about WR, whatever defensive position we sucked at the year before, te, Rb, coaches etc... The excuses have run out, but enjoy average at best next year. I’m sure he will have a few comebacks and we will continue to be average.

[Shred003]

He was 26th

I think a better stat to look at would be who he did against their record.

But really, he’s also the most losing QB since his brother. So he wins meaningless games against meaningless teams in the 4th in losing seasons. Wake me up when he has comebacks in the playoffs.

Until then, he is what his record says he is, not the new excuse each year about WR, whatever defensive position we sucked at the year before, te, Rb, coaches etc... The excuses have run out, but enjoy average at best next year. I’m sure he will have a few comebacks and we will continue to be average.

Yeah. 26th. ALL TIME. After 7 years. With a team that has finished in the top half, defensively, once in his entire career.

I'll also leave these here, real quick...





^ Watson is elite. Carr is really good. Really good + good defense = enough for the playoffs, and anything can happen once you get to the proverbial dance.

[bulldog2683]

Yeah. 26th. ALL TIME. After 7 years. With a team that has finished in the top half, defensively, once in his entire career.

I'll also leave these here, real quick...





^ Watson is elite. Carr is really good. Really good + good defense = enough for the playoffs, and anything can happen once you get to the proverbial dance.

Think most know what Carr can do. Especially after this year at least. You have to have a fixation or willful ignorance to think Carr is the Raiders' biggest limitation.

[Shred003]

Think most know what Carr can do. Especially after this year at least. You have to have a fixation or willful ignorance to think Carr is the Raiders' biggest limitation.

I've watched games from Raider history over the past few weeks: the first Gruden era, but also '09, '10 and '11, some of '13, etc.

The difference between Derek Carr and Jason Campbell is staggering. I don't want to return to the "Campbell era" style of offensive limitation if it can be avoided.

[raiderposting]

I'm a millennial and I can confirm we suck

[corralski]

Yeah we do, but it’s about time to break the cycle, several teams a year do it and it doesn’t take eighteen goddamn years.

After all, this isn’t Cincinnati....

[BoKnowsRaiders]

Yeah. 26th. ALL TIME. After 7 years. With a team that has finished in the top half, defensively, once in his entire career.

I'll also leave these here, real quick...





^ Watson is elite. Carr is really good. Really good + good defense = enough for the playoffs, and anything can happen once you get to the proverbial dance.

Not looking for good enough for playoffs.

Looking for good enough for Super Bowl.

Super Bowl or bust should be the goal every year.

[corralski]

Not looking for good enough for playoffs.

Looking for good enough for Super Bowl.

Super Bowl or bust should be the goal every year.

We got the bust part of it down pretty good....

[BoKnowsRaiders]

We got the bust part of it down pretty good....

....ain’t that the truth

[Switch]

Super Bowl. Lol that's funny. Let's get into the playoffs first before we talk Super Bowl.

[bulldog2683]

I've watched games from Raider history over the past few weeks: the first Gruden era, but also '09, '10 and '11, some of '13, etc.

The difference between Derek Carr and Jason Campbell is staggering. I don't want to return to the "Campbell era" style of offensive limitation if it can be avoided.

I actually liked Campbell. He was not "better" raw talent wise but I think the Raiders could have ran a few more successful campaigns if it were not for his injury and the loss of the great Al Davis.

[FarOutIos]

Yeah. 26th. ALL TIME. After 7 years. With a team that has finished in the top half, defensively, once in his entire career.

I'll also leave these here, real quick...





^ Watson is elite. Carr is really good. Really good + good defense = enough for the playoffs, and anything can happen once you get to the proverbial dance.

Funny thing is this year we seemed to play better against some good teams like KC and NO... then sucked against some bad teams.

I keep saying it... I dont mind carr. Just think an upgrade would’ve nice. Even if it’s not a huge upgrade. Sometimes you just have to shake things up to improve. Sure we could get worse too... but we know how this ends up.

But I do think that we’ll be much better next year. Even with Carr. I actually like some of our talent on defense, so I think that’ll improve. And I’m really hoping ruggs and Edwards can be close to the players I expected then to be. If we actually get to play in front of fans next year, the home field could really spark this team.

[Shred003]

Funny thing is this year we seemed to play better against some good teams like KC and NO... then sucked against some bad teams.

I keep saying it... I dont mind carr. Just think an upgrade would’ve nice. Even if it’s not a huge upgrade. Sometimes you just have to shake things up to improve. Sure we could get worse too... but we know how this ends up.

But I do think that we’ll be much better next year. Even with Carr. I actually like some of our talent on defense, so I think that’ll improve. And I’m really hoping ruggs and Edwards can be close to the players I expected then to be. If we actually get to play in front of fans next year, the home field could really spark this team.

I agree in principle, but define 'upgrade.' The Raiders scored a lot of points on 2-minute drills and Carr runs the offense at the line: you can't "upgrade" unless the replacement can do all of that as well. Mariota did not audible at the line / adjust the play / run the offense.

Ultimately, I think the best course of action is to stick with Carr and spend on the defense.