It’s time to move on from Carr

[TrueFan420]

I don’t think Gruden is on thin ice...at all.

And I don’t see us being positioned for success. Something remains fundamentally broken with this regime. As much as I’m disliking Gruden’s return, the failings pre-date him. I very much believe that we’ll have to wait out Gruden’s tenure and at least one more tear down before we’ll assemble something capable of competing for a ring. Which is why I want to cut the corner and tear it down right now. I’ll be 55 in October...who knows how many more seasons I’ll get. I’m damned impatient and quite unwilling to suffer fools.

-Stork

If we have another late season collapse questions will be asked. Bradley prob gets 2 years. Mid way thru year 2 and year 5 of Gruden and we finish like we have last 2 years then I suspect it will be a different convo.

We need a better head of all things Football. Mark has mostly kept himself out of it as he promised. Unfortunately he put the wrong people in charge. He didn’t do it on a whim. He did it after discussing it with respected people around the league with ties to the Raiders. He then gave them time to see if they can make it work. From a business side he’s done very well. As that side continues to improve (Vegas) we will hopefully attract better football people.

Mark isn’t perfect but he’s done a good job so far.

[Wolfe-Raider]

The Raiders keep drafting DBs instead of DLs. The results speak for themselves.

You want to know why the defense stinks? The Raiders drafted DJ Hayden instead of Richardson or Lotulelei. Karl Joseph instead of Kenny Clark. Gareon Conley instead of TJ Watt.

This isn't complicated.

I know. I know. I know.

[themadstork]

If we have another late season collapse questions will be asked. Bradley prob gets 2 years. Mid way thru year 2 and year 5 of Gruden and we finish like we have last 2 years then I suspect it will be a different convo.

We need a better head of all things Football. Mark has mostly kept himself out of it as he promised. Unfortunately he put the wrong people in charge. He didn’t do it on a whim. He did it after discussing it with respected people around the league with ties to the Raiders. He then gave them time to see if they can make it work. From a business side he’s done very well. As that side continues to improve (Vegas) we will hopefully attract better football people.

Mark isn’t perfect but he’s done a good job so far.

So it takes three years of folding to warrant questions and 4 to change the tenor of the conversation? So much for commitment to excellence.

You have way more patience than I do.

-Stork

[TrueFan420]

So it takes three years of folding to warrant questions and 4 to change the tenor of the conversation? So much for commitment to excellence.

You have way more patience than I do.

-Stork

I think that should be happening now but he gave him a massive contract to pull him out of the booth and back to the field. We’re in year 3 of 10. We had a global pandemic that took away a lot of revenue from Mark. The raiders move to Vegas was about more than football. He opened up a bunch of revenue streams for him and the team. Covid had other plans. He’s not going to eat 7 years of Gruden contract right now. That’s just the reality. We’ve also shown some good with the bad. If it was all trash then it would be viewed differently. Year 5 will be the make or break moment for Gruden.

[themadstork]

I think that should be happening now but he gave him a massive contract to pull him out of the booth and back to the field. We’re in year 3 of 10. We had a global pandemic that took away a lot of revenue from Mark. The raiders move to Vegas was about more than football. He opened up a bunch of revenue streams for him and the team. Covid had other plans. He’s not going to eat 7 years of Gruden contract right now. That’s just the reality. We’ve also shown some good with the bad. If it was all trash then it would be viewed differently. Year 5 will be the make or break moment for Gruden.

Trusty me, you don't need to explain reality to me...I understand that its status quo for the foreseeable future. I just disagree. Vehemently.

-Stork

[bulldog2683]

So it takes three years of folding to warrant questions and 4 to change the tenor of the conversation? So much for commitment to excellence.

You have way more patience than I do.

-Stork

Sounds like the patience of a 1997 Dodge Caravan owner (Mark Davis).

[dbacknick]

There were a lot of questions on both sides of the ball last season. They fixed the O. Now the D is the clear issue. Let's see what happens now. I think most of us had said if we don't make the playoffs, then it would be a disappointment. Well.........depression has set in. They need to come up with answers now, not in another year.

[FarOutIos]

I can think of so many explosive offensive teams made to look average or worse in the SB, but offhand I don't recall any great defenses ever getting lit up.



They definitely played a lot more close games against lesser opponents than one would expect. Maybe got a little too big for their britches after winning the SB? Sometimes you lose that mental edge and can't get it back. But they kind of coasted and won on sheer ability a bit too often.

We also can’t underestimate the covid factor. A lot of teams looked bad one week, then great a couple weeks later. This season really was a mess. But... at least we had football. That helped.

[Inspector]

This. For the love of Selena Gomez's silken vocal chords, this.

If she can play 3 tech and get inside pressure I’d sign her right now

[Wolfe-Raider]

If she can play 3 tech and get inside pressure I’d sign her right now

[GeniusLoci]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/c...e-a-franchise/

Let Russ Cook in Vegas? What else do you guys think we'd have to thrown in with Derek to make this deal happen?

[dbacknick]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/c...e-a-franchise/

Let Russ Cook in Vegas? What else do you guys think we'd have to thrown in with Derek to make this deal happen?

Why not heads up. Wilson is looking to leave. so it's not like he's happy there. This kind of waters down the Watson value too.

[GeniusLoci]

Why not heads up. Wilson is looking to leave. so it's not like he's happy there. This kind of waters down the Watson value too.

no way... Russ has a lot more value than Derek... I think we'd have to thrown in at least a couple of day 1 picks.

[Shred003]

Russell Wilson is a great QB, no question, but the Raiders don't need passers, they need pass rushers.

Thanks but no thanks.

[Wolfe-Raider]

https://www.cbssports.com/nfl/news/c...e-a-franchise/

Let Russ Cook in Vegas? What else do you guys think we'd have to thrown in with Derek to make this deal happen?

See if they will take Carr and our first rounder for him, maybe next year's 1st as well. Wilson would be awesome.