It’s time to move on from Carr

[Proximo]

He engineered the W over the hated Bronco’s!

You will get no complaints from this Raiders fan.


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[Proximo]

Wilson hasn’t carried his team. Not even when they won the Super Bowl. In the sb they had the legion of boom. They team was up 29-0 before he threw his first td. The d got a safety, a couple scores on d.

Now he has a bunch of good players on his team. Wagner, wright, Dunlap, Adams, diggs, Metcalf, iupati, Brown, griffen, Dunbar, brooks. Lots of talent. Not doing it on his own. I wish we had that much talent. Not carrying anything.

They stole a Lombardi under Wilson’s rookie contract. Then dismantled the Legion of Boom to pay him. I would be interested to see the how many championships are actually won when franchise QB’s are being paid franchise bucks. Brady was reasonable with his demands.


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[FarOutIos]

Alright... let's throw some numbers out there.

Top QBs in the league and their associated salaries for the next few years (rookies excluded) based on a recent article ranking them.

1. Russell Wilson (SEA) 31-32-37-39M.
2. Patrick Mahomes (KC) 5-25-31-42-40M.
3. Aaron Rodgers (GB) 22-36-40-28M
4. Lamar Jackson (BAL) ROOKIE CONTRACT
5. Deshaun Watson (HOU) 10-16-40-42-35-32M
6. Ryan Tannehill (TEN) 23-30-34-32M
7. Tom Brady (TB) 25-25M
8. Kyler Murray (ARI) ROOKIE CONTRACT
9. Matt Ryan (ATL) 19-41-41-37M
10. Matthew Stafford (DET) 21-33-26M
11. Josh Allen (BUF) ROOKIE CONTRACT
12. Ben Roethlisberger (PIT) 24-41M
13. Drew Brees (NO) 24-36M
14. Joe Burrow (CIN) ROOKIE CONTRACT
15. Justin Herbert (LAC) ROOKIE CONTRACT
16. Jared Goff (LAR) 29-35-32-32-28M
17. Teddy Bridgewater (CAR) 14-23-26M
18. Phillip Rivers (IND) 25M
19. Derek Carr (LV) 21-22-20M
20. Kirk Cousins (MIN) 21-31-45M
22. Carson Wentz (PHI ) 19-35-31-34-32M
and others.
Dak Prescott (DAL) 31M
Jacoby Brissett (IND) 21M
Jimmy Garoppollo (SF) 27-27-27M
Alex Smith (WAS) 20-23-25M

Haha. I like how everyone says it’s a bad list...

Any QB ranking is bad. Most of it is subjective. And if it’s based on stats... then stats “don’t tell the whole story”

Bottom line, there’s not too many QBs making in the 20-29 million/yr range that I’d rather have than carr. Rogers is underpaid. Cousins/Ben are overpaid.

[autechre]

This year, Carr has proven to be within the top 5-10 QB's in the game. He's elevated his game. To this, I say hell yes and about time. We all knew he had the talent. He's looking for the big throw (this guy has always had arm talent), he's scrambling, he's diving for 1st downs on 4th. I'm very happy with Carr this year and he's doing it without relying on a #1 or #2 WR. That says a lot. The man has looked at his reflection on a mirror and decided to change for the better. For those that say he's always been this good, I disagree wholeheartedly. He's learned from his mistakes, he's not perfect but he's a stout QB that's willing to put in the work to improve. Some might say, this is the very definition of a Gruden grinder, lol. He's played quite well this year.

[Inspector]

Wilson hasn’t carried his team. Not even when they won the Super Bowl. In the sb they had the legion of boom. They team was up 29-0 before he threw his first td. The d got a safety, a couple scores on d.

Now he has a bunch of good players on his team. Wagner, wright, Dunlap, Adams, diggs, Metcalf, iupati, Brown, griffen, Dunbar, brooks. Lots of talent. Not doing it on his own. I wish we had that much talent. Not carrying anything.

I’ve watched their games this season and he’s making plays all game. All off script. Their D isn’t like their SB win team, lots of holes. Agree his WRs are fantastic but his OL is inconsistent. Kyler Murray’s starting to match him now. Didn’t you think Murray would be a bust?

[Proximo]

I’ve watched their games this season and he’s making plays all game. All off script. Their D isn’t like their SB win team, lots of holes. Agree his WRs are fantastic but his OL is inconsistent. Kyler Murray’s starting to match him now. Didn’t you think Murray would be a bust?

One thing I have always admired about Russell Wilson is his ability to still beat defenses after they have taken away what he does best.

He and Aaron Rodgers are always winning but he and Aaron Rodgers haven’t been back to a Super Bowl since they have been paid.


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[Inspector]

One thing I have always admired about Russell Wilson is his ability to still beat defenses after they have taken away what he does best.

He and Aaron Rodgers are always winning but he and Aaron Rodgers haven’t been back to a Super Bowl since they have been paid.


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Cap is an elite QB killer. It’s why Maholmes took a home discount a huge one

[mmbt]

Cap is an elite QB killer.

Yeah, but you'd still want that problem. Look at the likely playoff teams at this point in the season ... not a lot of chumps at QB. It does make it harder to fill out a roster when one guy takes up so much of the cap, but it sure sucks when you're a team that seems to have everything but the QB.

[Proximo]

Cap is an elite QB killer. It’s why Maholmes took a home discount a huge one

Brady did for years. It’s not uncommon for QB’s to play under three contracts. They should take the long view-smart business on their behalf.


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[Inspector]

Brady did for years. It’s not uncommon for QB’s to play under three contracts. They should take the long view-smart business on their behalf.


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Shows how much a player wants to win if you ask me. Team game take a team deal

[Inspector]

Yeah, but you'd still want that problem. Look at the likely playoff teams at this point in the season ... not a lot of chumps at QB. It does make it harder to fill out a roster when one guy takes up so much of the cap, but it sure sucks when you're a team that seems to have everything but the QB.

Difference between a top QB and a top dollar contract. Maholmes still on his rookie money 10m this year. Only 22m next year.

Andrew Brandt ex GM said it’s one of the most shockingly cheap contracts against player value he’s ever seen. Makes what Brady did look like chump change. If Maholmes asked for market value he’d be on 50m per season right now

[Inspector]

Brady did for years. It’s not uncommon for QB’s to play under three contracts. They should take the long view-smart business on their behalf.


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As long as they have injury protection I don’t disagree. It’s a personal choice. If I’m a Gm I’m pointing to KC players contracts from now on and saying it’s now like this or no deal. Others can’t compete if they don’t do the same. You watch other KC players taking less Next season.

[Inspector]

Elite play from Carr this season. Outperformed Maholmes again yesterday.

[FarOutIos]

As long as they have injury protection I don’t disagree. It’s a personal choice. If I’m a Gm I’m pointing to KC players contracts from now on and saying it’s now like this or no deal. Others can’t compete if they don’t do the same. You watch other KC players taking less Next season.

I don’t think very KC players will be taking less money. At least, not much less. It’s different when you’re talking about a QB making $20 or $30 million per year. It’s a little easier to swallow the $20 million because it’s still a lot of money. Especially considering the length of the contract and total guarantees. And more importantly, the effect winning will have on off the field income. If taking $10 million less as a WB means you’ll have a better OL, get hurt less, win more super bowls, and get more advertising dollars... then it’s a good call.

If you’re only (yes, only) making $2 million instead of getting $3 million elsewhere, that’s a bigger difference. Especially considering lower paid players tend to have shorter career lengths and guaranteed contracts. And obviously, less advertising revenues.

Many of these players also have to think of the long term. How long will this money last me. And how much will I be making after football. If I’m carr, and I’m able to win s Super Bowl, i think my post football career might have more opportunities. Some of the lesser known players will not have as much of an improved outlook.

Honestly, I think it’s mostly ring chasing vets who’ve already made enough money, and QBs who are likely to take less money.

[Proximo]

Elite play from Carr this season. Outperformed Maholmes again yesterday.

I agree. The Raiders didn’t lose the game, they ran out of time.

Every thing that concerned me as a fan regarding Derek Carr-he has worked out. Yesterday I saw a competitor that made the big time throws. Had their not been three key drops. The Raiders get the win.

I am deep fat frying some crow for Thanksgiving and it tastes good. [emoji2]


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