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    Quote Originally Posted by bulldog2683 View Post
    Think two would be what the Raiders could get. This is a move that many here said the Raiders should have done. Trading Carr after the 2016 season. Hindsight is easy.

    So Carr has value again. Do the Raiders get rid of him for other players/draft assets while they can?
    No itís 4 first rounders as thatís what heís worth now with time on task with Gruden.

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    Alright... let's throw some numbers out there.

    Top QBs in the league and their associated salaries for the next few years (rookies excluded) based on a recent article ranking them.

    1. Russell Wilson (SEA) 31-32-37-39M.
    2. Patrick Mahomes (KC) 5-25-31-42-40M.
    3. Aaron Rodgers (GB) 22-36-40-28M
    4. Lamar Jackson (BAL) ROOKIE CONTRACT
    5. Deshaun Watson (HOU) 10-16-40-42-35-32M
    6. Ryan Tannehill (TEN) 23-30-34-32M
    7. Tom Brady (TB) 25-25M
    8. Kyler Murray (ARI) ROOKIE CONTRACT
    9. Matt Ryan (ATL) 19-41-41-37M
    10. Matthew Stafford (DET) 21-33-26M
    11. Josh Allen (BUF) ROOKIE CONTRACT
    12. Ben Roethlisberger (PIT) 24-41M
    13. Drew Brees (NO) 24-36M
    14. Joe Burrow (CIN) ROOKIE CONTRACT
    15. Justin Herbert (LAC) ROOKIE CONTRACT
    16. Jared Goff (LAR) 29-35-32-32-28M
    17. Teddy Bridgewater (CAR) 14-23-26M
    18. Phillip Rivers (IND) 25M
    19. Derek Carr (LV) 21-22-20M
    20. Kirk Cousins (MIN) 21-31-45M
    22. Carson Wentz (PHI ) 19-35-31-34-32M
    and others.
    Dak Prescott (DAL) 31M
    Jacoby Brissett (IND) 21M
    Jimmy Garoppollo (SF) 27-27-27M
    Alex Smith (WAS) 20-23-25M
    Last edited by GeniusLoci; 11-14-2020 at 01:48 AM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeniusLoci View Post
    Alright... let's throw some numbers out there.

    Top QBs in the league and their associated salaries for the next few years (rookies excluded) based on a recent article ranking them.

    1. Russell Wilson (SEA) 31-32-37-39M.
    2. Patrick Mahomes (KC) 5-25-31-42-40M.
    3. Aaron Rodgers (GB) 22-36-40-28M
    4. Lamar Jackson (BAL) ROOKIE CONTRACT
    5. Deshaun Watson (HOU) 10-16-40-42-35-32M
    6. Ryan Tannehill (TEN) 23-30-34-32M
    7. Tom Brady (TB) 25-25M
    8. Kyler Murray (ARI) ROOKIE CONTRACT
    9. Matt Ryan (ATL) 19-41-41-37M
    10. Matthew Stafford (DET) 21-33-26M
    11. Josh Allen (BUF) ROOKIE CONTRACT
    12. Ben Roethlisberger (PIT) 24-41M
    13. Drew Brees (NO) 24-36M
    14. Joe Burrow (CIN) ROOKIE CONTRACT
    15. Justin Herbert (LAC) ROOKIE CONTRACT
    16. Jared Goff (LAR) 29-35-32-32-28M
    17. Teddy Bridgewater (CAR) 14-23-26M
    18. Phillip Rivers (IND) 25M
    19. Derek Carr (LV) 21-22-20M
    20. Kirk Cousins (MIN) 21-31-45M
    22. Carson Wentz (PHI ) 19-35-31-34-32M
    and others.
    Dak Prescott (DAL) 31M
    Jacoby Brissett (IND) 21M
    Jimmy Garoppollo (SF) 27-27-27M
    Alex Smith (WAS) 20-23-25M
    If we have a 10-6 season make playoffs carrs a lock for next year but not on a new deal Carr will know Mayock needs the cash from a reduced post COVID cap to fix the d. We need a playoff run at a SB for Carr to get a new deal imho

    This list is a crock of ****

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inspector View Post
    If we have a 10-6 season make playoffs carrs a lock for next year but not on a new deal Carr will know Mayock needs the cash from a reduced post COVID cap to fix the d. We need a playoff run at a SB for Carr to get a new deal imho

    This list is a crock of ****
    Carr's definitely not going to get a new deal... but for all those calling for another QB, Carr will be making 22M next year, and 20M in 2022. Compare that to 35-40M that a lot of the other top QBs in the league are making, we're getting very good production at half the cost. When you realize what comparable QBs are making next year or two... like Matt Ryan 41M, Stafford 33M, Roethlisberger 41M, Brees 36M, Goff 35M, Wentz 35M, heck, even Garoppollo at 27M and Alex Smith at 23M are making more than Carr. If you didn't get the point of the list, that's on you.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeniusLoci View Post
    Carr's definitely not going to get a new deal... but for all those calling for another QB, Carr will be making 22M next year, and 20M in 2022. Compare that to 35-40M that a lot of the other top QBs in the league are making, we're getting very good production at half the cost. When you realize what comparable QBs are making next year or two... like Matt Ryan 41M, Stafford 33M, Roethlisberger 41M, Brees 36M, Goff 35M, Wentz 35M, heck, even Garoppollo at 27M and Alex Smith at 23M are making more than Carr. If you didn't get the point of the list, that's on you.
    It's why I didn't really freak out when Carr got his deal. QB salaries go up so fast, that within just 2-3 years any top-level deal will quickly become very average. Long term deals for QBs can definitely work in a team's favor ... worst case you cut the guy and take a dead cap hit for a little bit, best case you have a bargain on the back half of a deal.

    Also goes to show how desperate teams are for even non-franchise guys to play QB ... flash for even part of a season like Tannehill did, and they have to pony up ridiculous money to keep him. My god, Jimmy G makes a fair amount more than DC, can you imagine what SF would do to swap QBs with us this very second?

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    Let's not get ahead of ourselves. This season is only half over. So let's see how it plays out. As far as a money list, it can be misleading. Carr was considered as being paid top dollar when resigned. Now it looks reasonable. Unless he really screws up, he's not going anywhere. If they make the playoffs this year, that's fine. Next year will lead to higher expectations. And if he performs at a high level, he'll be paid accordingly. All in due time.

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    This is the first time in Derek Carrís career in which he has had coaching stability. I think the best thing the Raiders can do with Carr from a salary perspective is to continue to pay him well and within the confines of building a team around him. I think he understands this and will place a premium on winning.

    I am not sure he is interested in going anywhere else provided he is treated fairly by the team.

    Perspective is important but I am optimistic about our chances in November and December when it counts.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Proximo View Post
    Perspective is important but I am optimistic about our chances in November and December when it counts.
    He'll probably never be a great cold weather QB given that he's spent his whole football in warm weather, but the good news is that this year we only have two likely cold games left. Gotta take care of business in the games we "should" win, but the biggest ones look to be the Fins and Colts, might very well determine seeding.

    Although after watching the Cleveland game, I actually think while DC doesn't like to perform in those conditions, given the construct of our team (weak pass rush, strong OL/RBs), playing games in horrific conditions plays to our advantage when neither team can throw downfield and it's all down to smash mouth on both sides. Maybe a gauntlet of snow games in Buf, Kc, and Pit in postseason might be our best path to victory, as crazy as that sounds?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mmbt View Post
    He'll probably never be a great cold weather QB given that he's spent his whole football in warm weather, but the good news is that this year we only have two likely cold games left. Gotta take care of business in the games we "should" win, but the biggest ones look to be the Fins and Colts, might very well determine seeding.

    Although after watching the Cleveland game, I actually think while DC doesn't like to perform in those conditions, given the construct of our team (weak pass rush, strong OL/RBs), playing games in horrific conditions plays to our advantage when neither team can throw downfield and it's all down to smash mouth on both sides. Maybe a gauntlet of snow games in Buf, Kc, and Pit in postseason might be our best path to victory, as crazy as that sounds?
    How about those Colts? Are they that good, or has Tenn lost a notch or two?

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbacknick View Post
    How about those Colts? Are they that good, or has Tenn lost a notch or two?
    before the Thursday night game, I thought Indy was a longshot to make the playoffs. They were sitting at 5-3 and had the following schedule: TEN (6-2 at the time) twice, GB (6-2) next week, LV (5-3), and PIT (8-0). I thought They'd go at best 1-4 in that span. But after beating Tennessee, they might be challenging us for a playoff spot. Tennessee on the other hand, now sitting at 6-3, has BAL (6-2) next week, then IND (6-3), CLE (5-3), and GB (6-2) later in the season. Hopefully we finished ahead of Indy or Tennessee for a wildcard spot.

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeniusLoci View Post
    Carr's definitely not going to get a new deal... but for all those calling for another QB, Carr will be making 22M next year, and 20M in 2022. Compare that to 35-40M that a lot of the other top QBs in the league are making, we're getting very good production at half the cost. When you realize what comparable QBs are making next year or two... like Matt Ryan 41M, Stafford 33M, Roethlisberger 41M, Brees 36M, Goff 35M, Wentz 35M, heck, even Garoppollo at 27M and Alex Smith at 23M are making more than Carr. If you didn't get the point of the list, that's on you.
    Is that a QB play ranking or not ? Whatís the basis of the ranking? For me it can only be based on recent performance this last 2 seasons max period ideally this season higher weighting within context of the team they play for. Tape. Russel Wilson carries is team almost single handed heís MVP.

    So many of these guys arenít ahead of Carr. Herbert is already top ten in my book kid canít hardly miss a pass.

    Pay is about contract timing for QBs. So teams get to budget more effectively with a locked in QB. Our time is now and next 2 years. Surround Carr with talent to win. He knows he canít carry a team like Wilson and wouldnít want to try

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbacknick View Post
    How about those Colts? Are they that good, or has Tenn lost a notch or two?
    Division matchups throw up these results we will know after theyíve all played each other twice. I mean if we beat KC again that really means something

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    Quote Originally Posted by GeniusLoci View Post
    Alright... let's throw some numbers out there.

    Top QBs in the league and their associated salaries for the next few years (rookies excluded) based on a recent article ranking them.

    1. Russell Wilson (SEA) 31-32-37-39M.
    2. Patrick Mahomes (KC) 5-25-31-42-40M.
    3. Aaron Rodgers (GB) 22-36-40-28M
    4. Lamar Jackson (BAL) ROOKIE CONTRACT
    5. Deshaun Watson (HOU) 10-16-40-42-35-32M
    6. Ryan Tannehill (TEN) 23-30-34-32M
    7. Tom Brady (TB) 25-25M
    8. Kyler Murray (ARI) ROOKIE CONTRACT
    9. Matt Ryan (ATL) 19-41-41-37M
    10. Matthew Stafford (DET) 21-33-26M
    11. Josh Allen (BUF) ROOKIE CONTRACT
    12. Ben Roethlisberger (PIT) 24-41M
    13. Drew Brees (NO) 24-36M
    14. Joe Burrow (CIN) ROOKIE CONTRACT
    15. Justin Herbert (LAC) ROOKIE CONTRACT
    16. Jared Goff (LAR) 29-35-32-32-28M
    17. Teddy Bridgewater (CAR) 14-23-26M
    18. Phillip Rivers (IND) 25M
    19. Derek Carr (LV) 21-22-20M
    20. Kirk Cousins (MIN) 21-31-45M
    22. Carson Wentz (PHI ) 19-35-31-34-32M
    and others.
    Dak Prescott (DAL) 31M
    Jacoby Brissett (IND) 21M
    Jimmy Garoppollo (SF) 27-27-27M
    Alex Smith (WAS) 20-23-25M
    Bad list.
    So a qb throwing 11 tds and 5 ints on a losing team is better than Carr who has 16 tds and 2 ints????? Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Inspector View Post
    Is that a QB play ranking or not ? Whatís the basis of the ranking? For me it can only be based on recent performance this last 2 seasons max period ideally this season higher weighting within context of the team they play for. Tape. Russel Wilson carries is team almost single handed heís MVP.

    So many of these guys arenít ahead of Carr. Herbert is already top ten in my book kid canít hardly miss a pass.

    Pay is about contract timing for QBs. So teams get to budget more effectively with a locked in QB. Our time is now and next 2 years. Surround Carr with talent to win. He knows he canít carry a team like Wilson and wouldnít want to try
    Wilson hasnít carried his team. Not even when they won the Super Bowl. In the sb they had the legion of boom. They team was up 29-0 before he threw his first td. The d got a safety, a couple scores on d.

    Now he has a bunch of good players on his team. Wagner, wright, Dunlap, Adams, diggs, Metcalf, iupati, Brown, griffen, Dunbar, brooks. Lots of talent. Not doing it on his own. I wish we had that much talent. Not carrying anything.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Megatron View Post
    Bad list.
    So a qb throwing 11 tds and 5 ints on a losing team is better than Carr who has 16 tds and 2 ints????? Lol
    I know.. it's very subjective. It was from NFL.com though... Some other lists that I looked at had Derek in the 10-15 range.

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