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  1. #3226
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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    keeping open the possibility of a 6-10 division winner

    and hosting a 12-4 wild card in round 1

    this could be the anomoly that brings the idea that a division winner automatically hosts their 1st playoff game into deep debate
    Definitely ought to be by record. I think all division winners should make the playoffs because so many of their games are against each other (unlike NBA where they could get rid of divisions with no real differences).

    But they definitely shouldnít host a game. But if they didnít change it when 7-9 Seattle did it Iím not sure they would now. Though I canít remember the record of their opponent that year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by jaydubb View Post
    Yeah.. even when dak does somewhat good, the cowboys canít win without an elite run game. Kinda what eagles fans have been saying for years..
    Strange way of spelling above average defense.
    Dak: 15,778 @ 65.8%, 7.6 per att, 97+21 TD, 36 INT+31 FMB, 97.0 Rate
    Wentz: 14,191 @ 63.8%, 6.9 per att, 97+3 TD, 35 INT+48 FMB, 92.7 Rate



    Quote Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez View Post
    I'll leave PSD if Foles isn't the starter in Jax (or elsewhere) next year.
    "Hater" is a term used by weak minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez View Post
    Nope, they didnít quit, they just arenít a very good team.
    They quit on the coach , the owner and the fans . Did you see that tackling . Iíve seen these same players tackle on a pretty high level . You donít just wake up bad 1 day . That was pathetic.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez View Post
    Stats vs. like opponents:

    Washington
    Dak 269/3/1 w
    Wentz 313/3/0 w

    Miami
    Dak 246/2/1 w
    Wentz 310/3/1 L

    Green Bay
    Dak 463/2/3 L
    Wentz 160/3/0 w

    Jets
    Dak 278/0/0 L
    Wentz 189/1/0 w

    Minny
    Dak 397/3/1 L
    Wentz 306/3/1 L

    Detroit
    Dak 444/3/0 W
    Wentz 259/2/0 L

    New England
    Dak 212/0/1 L
    Wentz 214/1/0 L

    Buffalo
    Dak 355/2/1 L
    Wentz 172/1/0 W

    Total:
    Dak 2664/15/8 (3-5) and 1 lost fumble, 140 rushing yards and 2 rushing TD's
    Wentz 1923/17/2 (4-4) and 1 lost fumble, 131 yards and 0 rushing TD's

    This is about the best way to compare the two, against similar teams. Of course there are factors like weather, home/away, etc, but this is as close to "in a vacuum" it can be.

    So, against the same teams, Wentz has a better record, but also throws more TD's and throws far fewer INT's. Each have a lost fumble against similar teams.
    Both have the same number of TDs (which is useless as an evaluation stat anyways).

    Dak performed better against 5 common opponents, while Wentz performed better in 3 (and still lost 2 of the 3). The remaining 1 game was essentially even performance against NE.

    Dak performed better against playoff teams (Buffalo, Minny, GB) while Wentz got some garbage time stats in a loss to Miami and a win in Washington.

    Wentz is shaping up like Mariota: if the RB can get him to the red zone he can punch it in, but once the RB yardage dries up, prepare to lose.
    Dak: 15,778 @ 65.8%, 7.6 per att, 97+21 TD, 36 INT+31 FMB, 97.0 Rate
    Wentz: 14,191 @ 63.8%, 6.9 per att, 97+3 TD, 35 INT+48 FMB, 92.7 Rate



    Quote Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez View Post
    I'll leave PSD if Foles isn't the starter in Jax (or elsewhere) next year.
    "Hater" is a term used by weak minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseyed View Post
    Both have the same number of TDs (which is useless as an evaluation stat anyways).

    Dak performed better against 5 common opponents, while Wentz performed better in 3 (and still lost 2 of the 3). The remaining 1 game was essentially even performance against NE.

    Dak performed better against playoff teams (Buffalo, Minny, GB) while Wentz got some garbage time stats in a loss to Miami and a win in Washington.

    Wentz is shaping up like Mariota: if the RB can get him to the red zone he can punch it in, but once the RB yardage dries up, prepare to lose.
    Lol

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseyed View Post
    Both have the same number of TDs (which is useless as an evaluation stat anyways).

    Dak performed better against 5 common opponents, while Wentz performed better in 3 (and still lost 2 of the 3). The remaining 1 game was essentially even performance against NE.

    Dak performed better against playoff teams (Buffalo, Minny, GB) while Wentz got some garbage time stats in a loss to Miami and a win in Washington.

    Wentz is shaping up like Mariota: if the RB can get him to the red zone he can punch it in, but once the RB yardage dries up, prepare to lose.
    Dallas was down 31-3 against GB, but yeah, Dak player better for sure.

    You should probably watch some games.

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    What your seeing with Dak isnít really poor play your seeing a non efficient offense . They need a lot of possessions to be successful for some reason . This offense has always been like that . So if the defense gives up 3rd down after 3rd down it limits what the offense can do because the QB has not been efficient enough especially in the red zone . You canít ask any QB to score on every possession but if Dak wants 40 million heís gotta be way more efficient to be worth it .

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    This is like two guys arguing over who's **** stinks the least....

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    i dont get how a top 5 defense of all time with at least 5 hall of famers got lit up by the bears and has a losing record?

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    Quote Originally Posted by SiteWolf View Post
    keeping open the possibility of a 6-10 division winner

    and hosting a 12-4 wild card in round 1

    this could be the anomoly that brings the idea that a division winner automatically hosts their 1st playoff game into deep debate
    eh we already had a similar situation with a 7-9 seattle team not that long ago. however, i do agree that the NFL should follow the NFL and just have the better record be the higher seed and host.

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    Quote Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez View Post
    Dallas was down 31-3 against GB, but yeah, Dak player better for sure.

    You should probably watch some games.
    Dak is a very bad LB for allowing so many points.
    Dak: 15,778 @ 65.8%, 7.6 per att, 97+21 TD, 36 INT+31 FMB, 97.0 Rate
    Wentz: 14,191 @ 63.8%, 6.9 per att, 97+3 TD, 35 INT+48 FMB, 92.7 Rate



    Quote Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez View Post
    I'll leave PSD if Foles isn't the starter in Jax (or elsewhere) next year.
    "Hater" is a term used by weak minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
    -Scott van Pelt

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    Quote Originally Posted by surf and turf View Post
    What your seeing with Dak isnít really poor play your seeing a non efficient offense . They need a lot of possessions to be successful for some reason . This offense has always been like that . So if the defense gives up 3rd down after 3rd down it limits what the offense can do because the QB has not been efficient enough especially in the red zone . You canít ask any QB to score on every possession but if Dak wants 40 million heís gotta be way more efficient to be worth it .
    Probably because Dallas is #9 on the drops list:
    http://hosted.stats.com/fb/tmleaders...e=NFL&rank=232
    Dak: 15,778 @ 65.8%, 7.6 per att, 97+21 TD, 36 INT+31 FMB, 97.0 Rate
    Wentz: 14,191 @ 63.8%, 6.9 per att, 97+3 TD, 35 INT+48 FMB, 92.7 Rate



    Quote Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez View Post
    I'll leave PSD if Foles isn't the starter in Jax (or elsewhere) next year.
    "Hater" is a term used by weak minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
    -Scott van Pelt

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    Quote Originally Posted by TheDish87 View Post
    eh we already had a similar situation with a 7-9 seattle team not that long ago. however, i do agree that the NFL should follow the NFL and just have the better record be the higher seed and host.
    At this point in that season Seattle was 6-7 and the two South teams were 11-2 and 10-3. It's basically identical.
    Dak: 15,778 @ 65.8%, 7.6 per att, 97+21 TD, 36 INT+31 FMB, 97.0 Rate
    Wentz: 14,191 @ 63.8%, 6.9 per att, 97+3 TD, 35 INT+48 FMB, 92.7 Rate



    Quote Originally Posted by BDawk4Prez View Post
    I'll leave PSD if Foles isn't the starter in Jax (or elsewhere) next year.
    "Hater" is a term used by weak minded people in the face of legitimate criticism.
    -Scott van Pelt

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    Quote Originally Posted by Bullseyed View Post
    Both have the same number of TDs (which is useless as an evaluation stat anyways).

    Dak performed better against 5 common opponents, while Wentz performed better in 3 (and still lost 2 of the 3). The remaining 1 game was essentially even performance against NE.

    Dak performed better against playoff teams (Buffalo, Minny, GB) while Wentz got some garbage time stats in a loss to Miami and a win in Washington.

    Wentz is shaping up like Mariota: if the RB can get him to the red zone he can punch it in, but once the RB yardage dries up, prepare to lose.
    you have dak playing better than wentz in a game where dak lost with 2 TDs and 3 ints and Wentz won and had 3 TDs and zero ints.

    your opinion is not sounding very ****ing valid here.
    Quote Originally Posted by NormSizedMidget View Post
    It's different now than it was.

    When he won the second one, Giants fans are here we're outside of their minds.
    That quote always cracks me up.

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    Quote Originally Posted by surf and turf View Post
    What your seeing with Dak isnít really poor play your seeing a non efficient offense . They need a lot of possessions to be successful for some reason . This offense has always been like that . So if the defense gives up 3rd down after 3rd down it limits what the offense can do because the QB has not been efficient enough especially in the red zone . You canít ask any QB to score on every possession but if Dak wants 40 million heís gotta be way more efficient to be worth it .
    what ****ing excuses.

    if he needs so many things to go right to do good, guess what? he's a ****** *** QB.

    he doesnt seem to have these problems when facing bottom 5 teams
    Quote Originally Posted by NormSizedMidget View Post
    It's different now than it was.

    When he won the second one, Giants fans are here we're outside of their minds.
    That quote always cracks me up.

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