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    Environmental balance

    Is uber (and the like) worse for the environment than just driving yourself?

    uber has more miles driven for the same work.

    If the majority of uber users don't own their own car then the extra miles is countered by the environmental cost of manufacturing extra cars.

    Uber requires relatively new cars which may push cars into land fills a little sooners.



    Clearly Doordash and Grubhub and the like are MUCH worse than everyone eating things they cook at home.


    Amazon is actually good for the environment in that all those miles to multiple shops can be replaced by a truck making multiple, smart routed, deliveries.


    Can't get rid of air planes for international travel, ships are 3 times worse for the environment than air travel. Maybe we can switch to sail power? But unlike current ships that just dump waste into the ocean, need to keep it on board all the way to the port.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    Is uber (and the like) worse for the environment than just driving yourself?

    uber has more miles driven for the same work.

    If the majority of uber users don't own their own car then the extra miles is countered by the environmental cost of manufacturing extra cars.

    Uber requires relatively new cars which may push cars into land fills a little sooners.

    Clearly Doordash and Grubhub and the like are MUCH worse than everyone eating things they cook at home.

    Amazon is actually good for the environment in that all those miles to multiple shops can be replaced by a truck making multiple, smart routed, deliveries.

    Can't get rid of air planes for international travel, ships are 3 times worse for the environment than air travel. Maybe we can switch to sail power? But unlike current ships that just dump waste into the ocean, need to keep it on board all the way to the port.
    First Bolded: Actually, Amazon is terrible for the environment because people order one or two items at a time so the volume of shipments has increased dramatically. I believe Hasan Minaj talks about it on his show.

    Second Bolded: From what I understand, part of the reason ships are so much worse for the environment is they successfully lobbied to be able to burn dirtier types of oil and gas, which are really bad for the environment.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    Is uber (and the like) worse for the environment than just driving yourself?

    uber has more miles driven for the same work.

    If the majority of uber users don't own their own car then the extra miles is countered by the environmental cost of manufacturing extra cars.

    Uber requires relatively new cars which may push cars into land fills a little sooners.



    Clearly Doordash and Grubhub and the like are MUCH worse than everyone eating things they cook at home.


    Amazon is actually good for the environment in that all those miles to multiple shops can be replaced by a truck making multiple, smart routed, deliveries.


    Can't get rid of air planes for international travel, ships are 3 times worse for the environment than air travel. Maybe we can switch to sail power? But unlike current ships that just dump waste into the ocean, need to keep it on board all the way to the port.
    You should compare Door-dash and grub-hub with going to Fastfood and waiting in the drive through line or driving to a takeout place and pickup and driving home, not cooking at home.

    Otherwise you should compare growing all your own vegetable, meat and poultry with going shopping for all the ingredients.

    Much or our produce now comes on planes and boats from far away (not from the US) that adds an environmental cost
    You can't pay someone $15 an hour to pick tomatoes and sell them for .20c each.

    The Central Valley has lost a lot of canned and frozen food processing, it used to be one of the largest supplies of food in the world. Lots of crops not grown so water can go to LA / SF. and we recently got a 15 year reprieve on allowing farms to continue to irrigate, environmentalists wanted the water to flow through. The state wanted to eleiminate a lot of water for irrigation, its better to fly vegetables from South America to save the California waterways.

    One of the largest lakes in the west went away 120 years ago. You used to be able to take a steamboat across the lake.




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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    First Bolded: Actually, Amazon is terrible for the environment because people order one or two items at a time so the volume of shipments has increased dramatically. I believe Hasan Minaj talks about it on his show.

    Second Bolded: From what I understand, part of the reason ships are so much worse for the environment is they successfully lobbied to be able to burn dirtier types of oil and gas, which are really bad for the environment.
    While it is true people order one or two things, they are not driving to the store for each item or each few items, and when amazon delivers to me they always have another 30 stops in my neighborhood.

    That is part of it, also it takes a lot of energy to push water out of the way.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    While it is true people order one or two things, they are not driving to the store for each item or each few items, and when amazon delivers to me they always have another 30 stops in my neighborhood.

    That is part of it, also it takes a lot of energy to push water out of the way.
    ships are moving to these type of devices; eco friendly (cost less to operate) better control.
    ABB is the leader, Rolls Royce versions seem to have more failures.

    https://new.abb.com/marine/systems-and-solutions/azipod

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    Is uber (and the like) worse for the environment than just driving yourself?

    uber has more miles driven for the same work.

    If the majority of uber users don't own their own car then the extra miles is countered by the environmental cost of manufacturing extra cars.

    Uber requires relatively new cars which may push cars into land fills a little sooners.



    Clearly Doordash and Grubhub and the like are MUCH worse than everyone eating things they cook at home.


    Amazon is actually good for the environment in that all those miles to multiple shops can be replaced by a truck making multiple, smart routed, deliveries.


    Can't get rid of air planes for international travel, ships are 3 times worse for the environment than air travel. Maybe we can switch to sail power? But unlike current ships that just dump waste into the ocean, need to keep it on board all the way to the port.
    Retired autos and trucks are almost completely recycled these days, only thing going to the land fill is the crap in the backseat....
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    Quote Originally Posted by SfgiantsJD3 View Post
    ships are moving to these type of devices; eco friendly (cost less to operate) better control.
    ABB is the leader, Rolls Royce versions seem to have more failures.

    https://new.abb.com/marine/systems-and-solutions/azipod
    Edit: Oops. Wrong thread.
    Last edited by dbroncsinmo; 08-26-2019 at 09:41 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by corralski View Post
    Retired autos and trucks are almost completely recycled these days, only thing going to the land fill is the crap in the backseat....
    The plastics and the linings are mostly trash, and a car staying on the road for 20 years these days is certainly less impact on the environment than building and scrapping 7 cars.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SfgiantsJD3 View Post
    ships are moving to these type of devices; eco friendly (cost less to operate) better control.
    ABB is the leader, Rolls Royce versions seem to have more failures.

    https://new.abb.com/marine/systems-and-solutions/azipod
    Amazingly the prop shape itself hasn't changed much at all in nearly 100 years. The pod props are better, but they are still a far worse at transporting people than air travel.

    The real game changer for amazon et al will be if they can get drone delivery working where the home base is all solar powered.

    And if someone can make a leap in battery technology the transportation game will change completely.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    Is uber (and the like) worse for the environment than just driving yourself?

    uber has more miles driven for the same work.

    If the majority of uber users don't own their own car then the extra miles is countered by the environmental cost of manufacturing extra cars.

    Uber requires relatively new cars which may push cars into land fills a little sooners.



    Clearly Doordash and Grubhub and the like are MUCH worse than everyone eating things they cook at home.


    Amazon is actually good for the environment in that all those miles to multiple shops can be replaced by a truck making multiple, smart routed, deliveries.


    Can't get rid of air planes for international travel, ships are 3 times worse for the environment than air travel. Maybe we can switch to sail power? But unlike current ships that just dump waste into the ocean, need to keep it on board all the way to the port.
    Do you think that taxi drivers sitting in a line dozens of cars deep at an airport with their vehicles running is better for the environment than Uber/Lyft drivers going from stop to stop?

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    Amazon is horrible for the environment. Just one, tiny example:

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/amazon-...bon-footprint/

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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncsinmo View Post
    Do you think that taxi drivers sitting in a line dozens of cars deep at an airport with their vehicles running is better for the environment than Uber/Lyft drivers going from stop to stop?
    No, but people driving their own cars is better yet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by VCaintdead17 View Post
    Amazon is horrible for the environment. Just one, tiny example:

    https://www.cbsnews.com/news/amazon-...bon-footprint/
    Amazon is still more efficient than my wife driving to a few different stores a few days a week. I get one Amazon delivery a week with all the orders we have placed, so instead of several individual trips a week with 30 minutes of driving at least each, Amazon makes one trip to my neighborhood for a truck load of goods that includes what we are getting.

    Amazon's one day delivery is much more about getting the maximum products as close to the customer as possible as slowly as possible. Walmart on the other hand has many more locations fully stocked and likely using considerably more electricity.

    I'm not saying any corporation is above reproach, but we have a habit of saying what is bad without commenting about how other options are sometimes worse.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Scoots View Post
    No, but people driving their own cars is better yet.
    And what do you propose that will allow people to drive their owns cars from an airport or hotel or meeting place or restaurant when they are traveling out of town? A genie in a ****ing bottle?
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