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    What exactly are we arguing about Dunn?

    He's is well above average on defense.

    He's is well below average on offense.

    Smart is basically the same player. They'd both be good role players on good teams. They'd both look average on bad teams. Want a perfect example of a player living this exact scenario? Dramond Green. He is a great role player on a great team when he's surrounded by 2 elite scorers in his lineup. Put him out there with a bunch of average to below average players, and he looks like a liability on offense too. But if he has Steph/Klay or Steph/Durant or Klay/Durant, he becomes an elite distributor

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    He's not below average in every offensive skill, he's a good playmaker and finisher. Only below average shooter. The argument seems to be we need to trade him, rather than overpay him. Nobody has any idea of what kind of contract he's going to command over this summer, lol. Kyrie just put up 54 pts on like 83% shooting after Dunn got hurt. This team is devoid of good defensive players with a defense minded coach who's signed for years. Signing Dunn for 8 to 10 Million would be beneficial in several ways, including as a possible trading chip later.

    What are we trading Dunn for now? A late round rookie who'll get no PT next year? Barring another trade, Sato, White, Lavine, Porter Jr, Hutchinson, Lauri, Young, Carter Jr, Gafford and our high first round draft pick this summer. That's not including Kornet, who'll still be under contract, Valentine, and Dunn. Maybe a future first would be worth it??

    And there's not a whole lot of other things to talk about, lmao! This season is kind of depressing.
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    Kobe White will fail under this management/coaching.

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    Quote Originally Posted by dyst View Post
    Kobe White will fail under this management/coaching.
    Players have done fine (even winning MVPs and titles) with this management. No player will live up to their full potential with Boylen around though. Unfortunately, Iím not sure anyone worth a damn would want to coach here. Bulls reputation is probably worse than ever right now and thatís saying something.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chisox721 View Post
    Every shot he takes is wide open already. A better team/coach isn't going to change anything.
    Lol was just about to post that. I'm a better 3 point shooter then Dunn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by toovey107 View Post
    Lol was just about to post that. I'm a better 3 point shooter then Dunn.
    LOL Probably from college 3s. Take about 3 steps back from your local Y gym and tell me that

    We all know Dunn is shooting poorly. He has also shown he can hit a higher %. I know he isnt great but IDK why people are hung up on his 3pt shooting like its the only way he has a role ?

    D rose didnt shoot any better..... But he did other things well to make up for it. So does Dunn..... But on the defensive Side and being a pest And thats a role to fill despite for some reason somebody listing every Wing player who can shoot better than Dunn and pretend they can guaed Damian Lillard or say Trae Young with the same tenacity and peskiness Dunn does.

    we all know Dunn isnr a starter but when i hear somebody list guys like Aminu or Harkless as guys who can fill the same role and shoot better it bothers me because of the disrespect your showing for Dunn on the defensive side of the ball.


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    Quote Originally Posted by dabears34ft View Post
    What exactly are we arguing about Dunn?

    He's is well above average on defense.

    He's is well below average on offense.

    Smart is basically the same player. They'd both be good role players on good teams. They'd both look average on bad teams. Want a perfect example of a player living this exact scenario? Dramond Green. He is a great role player on a great team when he's surrounded by 2 elite scorers in his lineup. Put him out there with a bunch of average to below average players, and he looks like a liability on offense too. But if he has Steph/Klay or Steph/Durant or Klay/Durant, he becomes an elite distributor
    Great Draymond green callout. another guy who is an allstar on a team with an MVP and without him/Them the team and himself look much worse . I just think the same could happen with Dunn. getting cought up on his 3pt shooting % just seems silly.


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    Quote Originally Posted by infinity2152 View Post
    He's not below average in every offensive skill, he's a good playmaker and finisher. Only below average shooter. The argument seems to be we need to trade him, rather than overpay him. Nobody has any idea of what kind of contract he's going to command over this summer, lol. Kyrie just put up 54 pts on like 83% shooting after Dunn got hurt. This team is devoid of good defensive players with a defense minded coach who's signed for years. Signing Dunn for 8 to 10 Million would be beneficial in several ways, including as a possible trading chip later.

    What are we trading Dunn for now? A late round rookie who'll get no PT next year? Barring another trade, Sato, White, Lavine, Porter Jr, Hutchinson, Lauri, Young, Carter Jr, Gafford and our high first round draft pick this summer. That's not including Kornet, who'll still be under contract, Valentine, and Dunn. Maybe a future first would be worth it??

    And there's not a whole lot of other things to talk about, lmao! This season is kind of depressing.
    Ohh im on board with trading him. he is an asset we just dont need right now and this team seems so far off its not worth holding onto him. But i just don't like some of the disrespect i have seen for him around him. He fills a role. Its just a role we seem so far off from needing filled if you catch my drift. But like i try and point out guys like him have rolls to fill and are valuable. especially to contenders.


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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyben36 View Post
    LOL Probably from college 3s. Take about 3 steps back from your local Y gym and tell me that

    We all know Dunn is shooting poorly. He has also shown he can hit a higher %. I know he isnt great but IDK why people are hung up on his 3pt shooting like its the only way he has a role ?

    D rose didnt shoot any better..... But he did other things well to make up for it. So does Dunn..... But on the defensive Side and being a pest And thats a role to fill despite for some reason somebody listing every Wing player who can shoot better than Dunn and pretend they can guaed Damian Lillard or say Trae Young with the same tenacity and peskiness Dunn does.

    we all know Dunn isnr a starter but when i hear somebody list guys like Aminu or Harkless as guys who can fill the same role and shoot better it bothers me because of the disrespect your showing for Dunn on the defensive side of the ball.
    Derrick Rose is also more talented offensively. Giving Rose a 3 would have him an allstar. Giving dunn a 3 would make him a decent offensive player.

    Also Nobody said Harkless or Aminu could shoot better than Dunn. They are all bad shooters. Literally no one said that. The closest thing that was said to the was someone said Dunn wasn't easily replaceable and I went through and listed guys who have a similar role as dunn.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyben36 View Post
    Ohh im on board with trading him. he is an asset we just dont need right now and this team seems so far off its not worth holding onto him. But i just don't like some of the disrespect i have seen for him around him. He fills a role. Its just a role we seem so far off from needing filled if you catch my drift. But like i try and point out guys like him have rolls to fill and are valuable. especially to contenders.
    Literally No one said he wasn't somewhat valuable. LITERALLY NOONE.

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    Quote Originally Posted by chisox721 View Post
    Every shot he takes is wide open already. A better team/coach isn't going to change anything.
    Your wrong. There is something called Rythem. There are things called streaks. the fact is this team doesnt get players going. They dont get on Runs. And it has to do with coaching. the fact is an open shot on an 8-0 run feels so much diferent than trying to snap an 8-0 run by the oposition It feels diferent. there isnt the same pressure associated.

    and I don't think Dunn is a good shooter. But he also isnt a 26% guy either. Which everyone seems hung up on. And also acts like it is what it is. He really cant improve. He cant spend an offsesson working on it.

    And as far as getting it back on track.... He has taken 112 3s and made 29. Your telling me if he made 7 more 3s in his 32 games he would sudenly be a signifigantly better player. Its not that he has to be an ACE.... but capable correct. To me that feels closer to a stones throw away as far as improvement than the way some act like he is just Cancer from 3.

    Again a better team. Maybe a team where they have a 2ndary play maker. Maybe a few open 3s on a roll. Maybe not seemingly being benched randomly cause your coach doesnt keep rotations the same

    I mean there was a game just last week where dunn was 3-3 and hot. Game goes into OT. and Dunn plays 16 minutes. Your telling me its not more likely that playing Dunn Hot might not result in better 3pt %.


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    Quote Originally Posted by ChitownbullsBG7 View Post
    Mikal bridges would be our lockdown. Dunn type players are easy to find.
    Quote Originally Posted by ChitownbullsBG7 View Post
    thybulle, Jerami Grant, Craig, Bradley, Prince, Rondae Hollis Jefferson, Mo harkless, Aminu, MKG, Beverly, PJ tucker, Ariza, Crowder, Iggy, Dejontay Murray, Justise Winslow, Covington, Oneale, finney smith, and im sure there are more guys but that's off the top of my head. I just named 19 people without even looking lol. They are definitely easy to come by.
    Quote Originally Posted by ChitownbullsBG7 View Post
    Literally No one said he wasn't somewhat valuable. LITERALLY NOONE.
    You Literally state that guys like Dunn are easy to come by.

    Your literally the one stating that Dunn is easy to replace and now saying nobody said it. WTF dude Take your foot out of your mouth. Page 15 of this thread you literally act like any Wing off the bench does what dunn does.

    You are literally the main Culprit in this Dunn Bashing.

    And please... I know you get hung up on 3pt % being the end all be all of players. But to state MKG can do the same things Dunn has done for a team honestly makes me question what games you are eve watching.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyben36 View Post
    You Literally state that guys like Dunn are easy to come by.

    Your literally the one stating that Dunn is easy to replace and now saying nobody said it. WTF dude Take your foot out of your mouth. Page 15 of this thread you literally act like any Wing off the bench does what dunn does.

    You are literally the main Culprit in this Dunn Bashing.

    And please... I know you get hung up on 3pt % being the end all be all of players. But to state MKG can do the same things Dunn has done for a team honestly makes me question what games you are eve watching.
    Are you dumb? Saying someone production can be replaced is not bashing someone. Saying someone can be replaced doesn't mean he isn't valuable. Seriously, What is so hard to comprehend?

    Example, Bogdanovich went to Utah. He is a valuable player but he is easily replaceable. Tj Warren is filling his spot. Not necessarily as good as the guys he replace but similar numbers and overall play.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChitownbullsBG7 View Post
    thybulle, Jerami Grant, Craig, Bradley, Prince, Rondae Hollis Jefferson, Mo harkless, Aminu, MKG, Beverly, PJ tucker, Ariza, Crowder, Iggy, Dejontay Murray, Justise Winslow, Covington, Oneale, finney smith, and im sure there are more guys but that's off the top of my head. I just named 19 people without even looking lol. They are definitely easy to come by.
    Quote Originally Posted by dabears34ft View Post
    A lot of those guys mentioned are more valuable than Dunn, because they can defend more positions. A defensive specialist 3 could guard close to 4 positions. At best, Dunn can guard the 1,2, and bad 3's.
    Quote Originally Posted by infinity2152 View Post
    Most of those guys are NBA starters or have been, most have lengthy NBA careers, and at least half of them shoot as bad as Dunn. Dunn has guarded 4's this year, especially on switches and some pretty good SF's too. Way he's playing defense this year, only ones on that list as good on D are Iggy, Beverly, Murray. There's a difference between good and great defender, he's been great this year, and that's always helpful. There's a place for defensive specialist, reason all those guys have been around so long, many of them started on contending teams. This team has literally one great on-ball defender, let's trade him!
    Quote Originally Posted by ChitownbullsBG7 View Post
    Thybulle 38%, Grant 37%, Crowder 29%, Tucker 37%, Prince 35%, Bradley 29% but is 46% Fg, Craig 23%, Murray 35%, Covington 35%, Finney smith 38%, Rondae hollis Jefferson 15% but shoot 48% Fg, Ariza 35%, Royce oneale 43%, Beverly 34%, MKG 29%, Iggy( we know he hits big time 3s), Aminu 25%, Harkless 33%.

    There goes your theory that half of them shoot as bad as dunn. Dunn(26%) is shooting as bad as MKG. Let that sink in.

    Also im tired of people saying dunn is an elite defender, its false. He is a very good defender that relies on reaching and jumping lanes. He is a good defender but you are over rating him. reminds me of when people try to say Iverson was elite on the defensive end for the same reasons.

    So yes, Dunn is easily replaceable. You are probably the only person that doesn't think he is. Well besides Kris dunn himself.
    So because I respond to someone saying HALF THESE GUYS SHOOT AS BAD AS DUNN and I showed the percentages, i'm dwelling on Dunn's 3pt %? I Didn't even bring up Dunn's % until then.

    You were the one that got butt hurt and turned this into something it wasn't. Literally all I said is that Dunn can be replaced. Then you kept saying Dunn wasn't a bad shooter and literally EVERYONE in here is telling you he is a bad shooter. DG even broke it down to you to show you that even 35% on 2 attempts is below average. Then you switched from he isn't that bad of a shooter to why cant he improve. Then 2 posters said to you he literally only shoots WIDE OPEN 3s. Four years into his career and he still cant shoot WIDE OPEN 3s.

    You are delusional as hell man.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kyben36 View Post
    Your wrong. There is something called Rythem. There are things called streaks. the fact is this team doesnt get players going. They dont get on Runs. And it has to do with coaching. the fact is an open shot on an 8-0 run feels so much diferent than trying to snap an 8-0 run by the oposition It feels diferent. there isnt the same pressure associated.

    and I don't think Dunn is a good shooter. But he also isnt a 26% guy either. Which everyone seems hung up on. And also acts like it is what it is. He really cant improve. He cant spend an offsesson working on it.

    And as far as getting it back on track.... He has taken 112 3s and made 29. Your telling me if he made 7 more 3s in his 32 games he would sudenly be a signifigantly better player. Its not that he has to be an ACE.... but capable correct. To me that feels closer to a stones throw away as far as improvement than the way some act like he is just Cancer from 3.

    Again a better team. Maybe a team where they have a 2ndary play maker. Maybe a few open 3s on a roll. Maybe not seemingly being benched randomly cause your coach doesnt keep rotations the same

    I mean there was a game just last week where dunn was 3-3 and hot. Game goes into OT. and Dunn plays 16 minutes. Your telling me its not more likely that playing Dunn Hot might not result in better 3pt %.
    Were you drunk when you wrote this?

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