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    Quote Originally Posted by MILLERHIGHLIFE View Post
    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q23

    Beal is a 7 year vet which falls in line for the 30% of the total cap. But like you said, he could be holding out for rule #24 for first or second or third all NBA team or all defensive team or MVP or something. Then he could get the 35%. But playing out his contract would only be 9 seasons. So he would still need rule 24 to boost up to 35% of the cap for super max. Maybe he would only do 1+1 here on out with Wizards and see if they shape up.
    His eligibility (other than the 5th season) isn't affected which ever team he joins with... He will leave the Wizards so that he can join a "win now" team that will give him the opportunity to compete for rings and have another supermax following as a consequence...

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckalis View Post
    Yet, you keep posting nonsense... Beal has no salary difference either with the Wizards or with other no matter what his eligibility will be... He gets the max he is eligible to at the time he signs... 5th year isn't of any additional benefit (as it wasn't for Kwahi or Buttler) because the first 4 years end up to the same salary and the players trust themselves they'll sign another supermax after the following 4 years will be over...

    He just wants out of the Wizards and (as with any other star) wants to end up with a "win now" team that will get him "rings"... with the Wizards he can't even be at the playoffs!
    He never said he wanted out. He put that to bed last season. I even posted that tweet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MILLERHIGHLIFE View Post
    He never said he wanted out. He put that to bed last season. I even posted that tweet.
    No decent player will ever say he wants out to the media... Kemba did not say he wanted out and even suggested that he would take a discount in order to stay, but he did go to a contending team and then signed for the full super max eligibility...

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    lol... Interesting that in this (official) video, even the Bucks don't know who the 5th starter is, so they mention only four as "starring" and then all the rest as "role"...

    https://www.facebook.com/milwaukeebu...f_t=live_video

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckalis View Post
    His eligibility (other than the 5th season) isn't affected which ever team he joins with... He will leave the Wizards so that he can join a "win now" team that will give him the opportunity to compete for rings and have another supermax following as a consequence...
    It does it he qualifies for the super max. And again, even if money isn't the only thing, as he's said, waiting to see if he qualifies for the super max has no downside for him. So there's no reason for Beal to extend right now. And because he's not extending right now doesn't mean he needs to be traded. Doesnt mean he won't be traded, but Washington isn't selling him for cheap.

    So you're right, if he doesn't qualify for the super max, then Washington doesn't have much of a leg up, unless he does truly value that 5th year, which he may not. But hes two years from free agency. There's no advantage to sign an extension right now especially since he has a legit chance of being all nba next year. Why not wait and see?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crewfan13 View Post
    It does it he qualifies for the super max. And again, even if money isn't the only thing, as he's said, waiting to see if he qualifies for the super max has no downside for him. So there's no reason for Beal to extend right now. And because he's not extending right now doesn't mean he needs to be traded. Doesnt mean he won't be traded, but Washington isn't selling him for cheap.

    So you're right, if he doesn't qualify for the super max, then Washington doesn't have much of a leg up, unless he does truly value that 5th year, which he may not. But hes two years from free agency. There's no advantage to sign an extension right now especially since he has a legit chance of being all nba next year. Why not wait and see?
    You ask one thing and then reply on different.... Waiting so that he can extend his eligibility is one thing... Not resigning with Wizards, because he will risk being able to sign two consecutive supermax deals (for the next 8 or 9 years after his current contract expires - he'll be 27) with another (able to "win now") team, is a completely different subject that has already being explained to you before...

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckalis View Post
    You ask one thing and then reply on different.... Waiting so that he can extend his eligibility is one thing... Not resigning with Wizards, because he will risk being able to sign two consecutive supermax deals (for the next 8 or 9 years after his current contract expires - he'll be 27) with another (able to "win now") team, is a completely different subject that has already being explained to you before...
    But it absolutely does matter. Beal isn't a perennial all nba guy. In order to sign a super max, you still need to meet the qualifications that you are all nba prior season, all nba in 2 of the last 3 or win DPOY or MVP in the last 3 seasons. Beal has never made an all nba team. He was close last year, but hes not a guy who is going to hit those qualifications all the time.

    So if he has any interest in the super max, he basically needs to sign it after he makes an all nba team, because it's far from a guarantee he does it again. So if he wants the super max, and he hasn't said he for sure does, he pretty much needs to sign it as soon as he hits all nba team. And if that happens next year then Washington is the only team that can offer that. So yes, that all absolutely plays a part in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crewfan13 View Post
    But it absolutely does matter. Beal isn't a perennial all nba guy. In order to sign a super max, you still need to meet the qualifications that you are all nba prior season, all nba in 2 of the last 3 or win DPOY or MVP in the last 3 seasons. Beal has never made an all nba team. He was close last year, but hes not a guy who is going to hit those qualifications all the time.

    So if he has any interest in the super max, he basically needs to sign it after he makes an all nba team, because it's far from a guarantee he does it again. So if he wants the super max, and he hasn't said he for sure does, he pretty much needs to sign it as soon as he hits all nba team. And if that happens next year then Washington is the only team that can offer that. So yes, that all absolutely plays a part in it.
    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckalis View Post
    Exactly.
    So are yoh anticipating him consistently making all nba teams? That's the crux of the arguement. To me, he's a guy who only makes it once or twice in his career. If that's the case, then he needs to sign a longer term deal at the super max rate when he makes it. Presumably next year is one of his best shots. At the very least, one competitor for all nba in klay is out of the picture. Next year hell also be without wall, so his stats should be inflated. So this coming season is very likely his best shot at an all nba team. Which would mean, if he wants the super max, next year would be the year he needs to sign it.

    Waiting until the following year when he reaches FA would be a major risk as he's far from guaranteed to continously make the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crewfan13 View Post
    So are yoh anticipating him consistently making all nba teams? That's the crux of the arguement. To me, he's a guy who only makes it once or twice in his career. If that's the case, then he needs to sign a longer term deal at the super max rate when he makes it. Presumably next year is one of his best shots. At the very least, one competitor for all nba in klay is out of the picture. Next year hell also be without wall, so his stats should be inflated. So this coming season is very likely his best shot at an all nba team. Which would mean, if he wants the super max, next year would be the year he needs to sign it.

    Waiting until the following year when he reaches FA would be a major risk as he's far from guaranteed to continously make the team.
    Not if he stays with the Wizards... Would Middleton make it to All Star if he wasn't with the Bucks and Giannis? If he was -say- with the Wizards? If you keep on insisting with this BS although you've been answered ages ago, I'll have to put you in my ignore... Had enough of your "arguing" on every sick imagination that sticks in your brainless head...

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    Oh no, not the ignore list. And what did you answer ages ago? The question is, will Beal be a perennial all nba player? If yes then you're right, the super max doesn't matter that much. If no, then it absolutely does matter, as he may onyo qualify once or twice for the super max.

    And by the way, you keep ingnoring and have never even attempted to defend your ridiculous logic of why Bledsoe wants to go to Washington. Or why klutch is intentionally putting one of his clients in a worse spot while subsequently improving the title chances of a team with no klutch clients.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crewfan13 View Post
    Oh no, not the ignore list. And what did you answer ages ago? The question is, will Beal be a perennial all nba player? If yes then you're right, the super max doesn't matter that much. If no, then it absolutely does matter, as he may onyo qualify once or twice for the super max.

    And by the way, you keep ingnoring and have never even attempted to defend your ridiculous logic of why Bledsoe wants to go to Washington. Or why klutch is intentionally putting one of his clients in a worse spot while subsequently improving the title chances of a team with no klutch clients.
    for 100th time... he has by far better chances if he leaves the Wizards. Therefore he makes it clear that he doesn't resign and they have no choice but to trade him!

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    If we could achieve this trade I proposed in the trade thread:

    2-stage deal, because some players can't be traded before Dec. the 15th...

    Stage 1: Bucks receive Bogdan Bogdanovic, Kings receive Donte Divincenzo, D.J. Wilson + a 2nd from Pacers (no 43-46)...

    Stage 2: Bucks receive Nemanja Bjelica, Kings receive Erzan Ilyasova, Wes Matthews (SG/SF 3&D wing) + another 2nd (again from Pacers).

    ...The Bucks unload enough salary as to sign Mason (or Tucker, or Adams) and Reynolds to the two roster spots that are opened with the following consequences (even if we have to add the 1st pick too in order to do it):

    1. The Bucks fully make up for the loss of Brogdon (by adding Bogdanovic), but of Mirotic too (by adding Bjelica instead) and even upgrade further from last season's roster.

    2. The Bucks secure their short but long term future too in order to retain a contending for the title roster, because they will have a full roster on Mason (or Tucker, or Adams - whoever proves better in the training camp), Bogdanovic, Reynolds, Giannis and Bender but Brown and Connaughton too, locked for many seasons later... Partly the reason why the Bucks would need to extend Bogdanovic just after the (possible) trade, before his price rises...
    3. The Bucks will end up with an ideal roster depth by starting Bledsoe (PG), Bogdanovic (SG), Middleton (SF), Giannis (PF), Brolo (CF) but will have the four multi-roll players needed to fully support the starting roster during the playoffs with Hill (PG/SG combo), Connaughton (SG/SF combo), Bjelica (SF/PF combo) and Bender (PF/CF) combo and will still have Brown, Korver, Thanasis and Rolo in case an emergency comes up, while there will be plenty of time to carefully develop Mason (or Tucker, or Adams) and Reynolds and get them ready for next season while being able to test their progress on the floor quite often this season...

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckalis View Post
    for 100th time... he has by far better chances if he leaves the Wizards. Therefore he makes it clear that he doesn't resign and they have no choice but to trade him!
    Yes we all would love Beal on the Bucks. But pushing for it, when we have no assets to begin with gets old. Last year I would of offered Middleton and Brogdon for Beal. As of right now there's no good offer to land Beal from the Bucks side of the table. Pacers 3 picks and any of Bledsoe, Ersan, Brown, DDV, Wilson is lame to say the least. Our pick in 2026 is a bit far out. Were tapped out.

    Our only hope is like how Raptors got Kawhi last year wanting out. We do the same with the next star and use Middleton and all Pacers picks and some of our young guys and then maybe were close. Raptors used DD and Poeltl and maybe some picks for Kawhi and Green. So Middleton and our Pacer picks and some young guys could (maybe) get that troubled star. Time will tell. Maybe not this season be season after next.

    Maybe AD doesn't like LeBron pointing fingers if this season gets a bit rough. Only thing is AD has a player option after this season. So could bolt. Also a bit of a risk with injuries and he like to play PF instead of center.

    There's mild rumors Spurs shopping DD. But he doesn't shoot the three as well. Not exciting. But to get close to his contract isn't worth it.

    Maybe the Blazers fizz out and either Lillard or CJ demands a trade? Not sure what other so called stars would want out.

    KD isn't playing this year.

    Maybe Embiid or Simmons have a falling out. But Simmons cant hit a 3. Embiid is over weight and injuryprone.

    We all talked about Butler but toxic and what not.

    KP was traded and injuryprone.

    Or find a below the radar rookie scale contract that's under control a while since were capped anyway. But this unknown player has to be buried and barely used before he breaks out. Wished we chased after Hield,Fox,Mitchell before they busted out.

    All in all we need a upgrade at every position that Giannis isn't playing so PG,SG,SF,C. Just have to hope Middleton,Bledsoe,Rolo,Brolo don't fall off to fast. Besides SG now is based on by committee.

    I wasn't excitied for Middleton last 3 years or so. meh. Bledsoe I was excited for when we first traded for him. But him vanishing in the playoffs. I think he's not the answer now. Brook is only fun when he raining like 6 or 7 threes in a game. When he's off then he's dead weight as well. Yeah maybe gets a couple blocks here and there and boxes out nicely. But Sg been a bit lacking for a long time. Since after Allen,Redd years really. Yeah when we traded for Middleton he was a legit SG way back then. But even back then we heavily used him at SF and small ball PF a lot first year or so we had him. Brogdon was a slow plodder and injured. Brown is up in the air yet. I had high hopes he be Butler lite. DDV been injured. Jury out on him so far.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MILLERHIGHLIFE View Post
    Yes we all would love Beal on the Bucks. But pushing for it, when we have no assets to begin with gets old. Last year I would of offered Middleton and Brogdon for Beal. As of right now there's no good offer to land Beal from the Bucks side of the table. Pacers 3 picks and any of Bledsoe, Ersan, Brown, DDV, Wilson is lame to say the least. Our pick in 2026 is a bit far out. Were tapped out.

    Our only hope is like how Raptors got Kawhi last year wanting out. We do the same with the next star and use Middleton and all Pacers picks and some of our young guys and then maybe were close. Raptors used DD and Poeltl and maybe some picks for Kawhi and Green. So Middleton and our Pacer picks and some young guys could (maybe) get that troubled star. Time will tell. Maybe not this season be season after next.

    Maybe AD doesn't like LeBron pointing fingers if this season gets a bit rough. Only thing is AD has a player option after this season. So could bolt. Also a bit of a risk with injuries and he like to play PF instead of center.

    There's mild rumors Spurs shopping DD. But he doesn't shoot the three as well. Not exciting. But to get close to his contract isn't worth it.

    Maybe the Blazers fizz out and either Lillard or CJ demands a trade? Not sure what other so called stars would want out.

    KD isn't playing this year.

    Maybe Embiid or Simmons have a falling out. But Simmons cant hit a 3. Embiid is over weight and injuryprone.

    We all talked about Butler but toxic and what not.

    KP was traded and injuryprone.

    Or find a below the radar rookie scale contract that's under control a while since were capped anyway. But this unknown player has to be buried and barely used before he breaks out. Wished we chased after Hield,Fox,Mitchell before they busted out.

    All in all we need a upgrade at every position that Giannis isn't playing so PG,SG,SF,C. Just have to hope Middleton,Bledsoe,Rolo,Brolo don't fall off to fast. Besides SG now is based on by committee.

    I wasn't excitied for Middleton last 3 years or so. meh. Bledsoe I was excited for when we first traded for him. But him vanishing in the playoffs. I think he's not the answer now. Brook is only fun when he raining like 6 or 7 threes in a game. When he's off then he's dead weight as well. Yeah maybe gets a couple blocks here and there and boxes out nicely. But Sg been a bit lacking for a long time. Since after Allen,Redd years really. Yeah when we traded for Middleton he was a legit SG way back then. But even back then we heavily used him at SF and small ball PF a lot first year or so we had him. Brogdon was a slow plodder and injured. Brown is up in the air yet. I had high hopes he be Butler lite. DDV been injured. Jury out on him so far.
    A team that is in a position similar like the Bucks are, it would be best for them to look as to upgrade gradually than decide on radical changes... For the moment, I believe it's best to look and make back what we miss from loosing Brogdon and Mirotic, then at a later stage we can look to upgrade further by upgrading any who is named other than Giannis in our roster...

    Therefore I believe we should opt and make this 2-stage deal happen:

    Stage 1: Bucks receive Bogdan Bogdanovic, Kings receive Donte Divincenzo, D.J. Wilson + a 2nd from Pacers (no 43-46)...

    Stage 2: Bucks receive Nemanja Bjelica, Kings receive Erzan Ilyasova, Wes Matthews (SG/SF 3&D wing) + another 2nd (again from Pacers).

    Then at a later stage we can examine on moving on from Bledsoe for Beal or Jrue Holiday... Lets look first if we can add Bogdanovic and Bjelica which we can do now (even if it costs to add all the picks we have in reserve)... Then, other than having the team upgrated from where it was during the playoffs last season, we will additionally have more valuable assets available to negotiate with on a possible trade (for Beal, or Holiday, or other) after January the 15th...

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