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  1. #61
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    Quote Originally Posted by MILLERHIGHLIFE View Post
    http://www.cbafaq.com/salarycap.htm#Q23

    Beal is a 7 year vet which falls in line for the 30% of the total cap. But like you said, he could be holding out for rule #24 for first or second or third all NBA team or all defensive team or MVP or something. Then he could get the 35%. But playing out his contract would only be 9 seasons. So he would still need rule 24 to boost up to 35% of the cap for super max. Maybe he would only do 1+1 here on out with Wizards and see if they shape up.
    His eligibility (other than the 5th season) isn't affected which ever team he joins with... He will leave the Wizards so that he can join a "win now" team that will give him the opportunity to compete for rings and have another supermax following as a consequence...

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckalis View Post
    Yet, you keep posting nonsense... Beal has no salary difference either with the Wizards or with other no matter what his eligibility will be... He gets the max he is eligible to at the time he signs... 5th year isn't of any additional benefit (as it wasn't for Kwahi or Buttler) because the first 4 years end up to the same salary and the players trust themselves they'll sign another supermax after the following 4 years will be over...

    He just wants out of the Wizards and (as with any other star) wants to end up with a "win now" team that will get him "rings"... with the Wizards he can't even be at the playoffs!
    He never said he wanted out. He put that to bed last season. I even posted that tweet.

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    Quote Originally Posted by MILLERHIGHLIFE View Post
    He never said he wanted out. He put that to bed last season. I even posted that tweet.
    No decent player will ever say he wants out to the media... Kemba did not say he wanted out and even suggested that he would take a discount in order to stay, but he did go to a contending team and then signed for the full super max eligibility...

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    lol... Interesting that in this (official) video, even the Bucks don't know who the 5th starter is, so they mention only four as "starring" and then all the rest as "role"...

    https://www.facebook.com/milwaukeebu...f_t=live_video

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckalis View Post
    His eligibility (other than the 5th season) isn't affected which ever team he joins with... He will leave the Wizards so that he can join a "win now" team that will give him the opportunity to compete for rings and have another supermax following as a consequence...
    It does it he qualifies for the super max. And again, even if money isn't the only thing, as he's said, waiting to see if he qualifies for the super max has no downside for him. So there's no reason for Beal to extend right now. And because he's not extending right now doesn't mean he needs to be traded. Doesnt mean he won't be traded, but Washington isn't selling him for cheap.

    So you're right, if he doesn't qualify for the super max, then Washington doesn't have much of a leg up, unless he does truly value that 5th year, which he may not. But hes two years from free agency. There's no advantage to sign an extension right now especially since he has a legit chance of being all nba next year. Why not wait and see?

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    Quote Originally Posted by crewfan13 View Post
    It does it he qualifies for the super max. And again, even if money isn't the only thing, as he's said, waiting to see if he qualifies for the super max has no downside for him. So there's no reason for Beal to extend right now. And because he's not extending right now doesn't mean he needs to be traded. Doesnt mean he won't be traded, but Washington isn't selling him for cheap.

    So you're right, if he doesn't qualify for the super max, then Washington doesn't have much of a leg up, unless he does truly value that 5th year, which he may not. But hes two years from free agency. There's no advantage to sign an extension right now especially since he has a legit chance of being all nba next year. Why not wait and see?
    You ask one thing and then reply on different.... Waiting so that he can extend his eligibility is one thing... Not resigning with Wizards, because he will risk being able to sign two consecutive supermax deals (for the next 8 or 9 years after his current contract expires - he'll be 27) with another (able to "win now") team, is a completely different subject that has already being explained to you before...

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckalis View Post
    You ask one thing and then reply on different.... Waiting so that he can extend his eligibility is one thing... Not resigning with Wizards, because he will risk being able to sign two consecutive supermax deals (for the next 8 or 9 years after his current contract expires - he'll be 27) with another (able to "win now") team, is a completely different subject that has already being explained to you before...
    But it absolutely does matter. Beal isn't a perennial all nba guy. In order to sign a super max, you still need to meet the qualifications that you are all nba prior season, all nba in 2 of the last 3 or win DPOY or MVP in the last 3 seasons. Beal has never made an all nba team. He was close last year, but hes not a guy who is going to hit those qualifications all the time.

    So if he has any interest in the super max, he basically needs to sign it after he makes an all nba team, because it's far from a guarantee he does it again. So if he wants the super max, and he hasn't said he for sure does, he pretty much needs to sign it as soon as he hits all nba team. And if that happens next year then Washington is the only team that can offer that. So yes, that all absolutely plays a part in it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crewfan13 View Post
    But it absolutely does matter. Beal isn't a perennial all nba guy. In order to sign a super max, you still need to meet the qualifications that you are all nba prior season, all nba in 2 of the last 3 or win DPOY or MVP in the last 3 seasons. Beal has never made an all nba team. He was close last year, but hes not a guy who is going to hit those qualifications all the time.

    So if he has any interest in the super max, he basically needs to sign it after he makes an all nba team, because it's far from a guarantee he does it again. So if he wants the super max, and he hasn't said he for sure does, he pretty much needs to sign it as soon as he hits all nba team. And if that happens next year then Washington is the only team that can offer that. So yes, that all absolutely plays a part in it.
    Exactly.

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    Quote Originally Posted by buckalis View Post
    Exactly.
    So are yoh anticipating him consistently making all nba teams? That's the crux of the arguement. To me, he's a guy who only makes it once or twice in his career. If that's the case, then he needs to sign a longer term deal at the super max rate when he makes it. Presumably next year is one of his best shots. At the very least, one competitor for all nba in klay is out of the picture. Next year hell also be without wall, so his stats should be inflated. So this coming season is very likely his best shot at an all nba team. Which would mean, if he wants the super max, next year would be the year he needs to sign it.

    Waiting until the following year when he reaches FA would be a major risk as he's far from guaranteed to continously make the team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crewfan13 View Post
    So are yoh anticipating him consistently making all nba teams? That's the crux of the arguement. To me, he's a guy who only makes it once or twice in his career. If that's the case, then he needs to sign a longer term deal at the super max rate when he makes it. Presumably next year is one of his best shots. At the very least, one competitor for all nba in klay is out of the picture. Next year hell also be without wall, so his stats should be inflated. So this coming season is very likely his best shot at an all nba team. Which would mean, if he wants the super max, next year would be the year he needs to sign it.

    Waiting until the following year when he reaches FA would be a major risk as he's far from guaranteed to continously make the team.
    Not if he stays with the Wizards... Would Middleton make it to All Star if he wasn't with the Bucks and Giannis? If he was -say- with the Wizards? If you keep on insisting with this BS although you've been answered ages ago, I'll have to put you in my ignore... Had enough of your "arguing" on every sick imagination that sticks in your brainless head...

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    Oh no, not the ignore list. And what did you answer ages ago? The question is, will Beal be a perennial all nba player? If yes then you're right, the super max doesn't matter that much. If no, then it absolutely does matter, as he may onyo qualify once or twice for the super max.

    And by the way, you keep ingnoring and have never even attempted to defend your ridiculous logic of why Bledsoe wants to go to Washington. Or why klutch is intentionally putting one of his clients in a worse spot while subsequently improving the title chances of a team with no klutch clients.

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    Quote Originally Posted by crewfan13 View Post
    Oh no, not the ignore list. And what did you answer ages ago? The question is, will Beal be a perennial all nba player? If yes then you're right, the super max doesn't matter that much. If no, then it absolutely does matter, as he may onyo qualify once or twice for the super max.

    And by the way, you keep ingnoring and have never even attempted to defend your ridiculous logic of why Bledsoe wants to go to Washington. Or why klutch is intentionally putting one of his clients in a worse spot while subsequently improving the title chances of a team with no klutch clients.
    for 100th time... he has by far better chances if he leaves the Wizards. Therefore he makes it clear that he doesn't resign and they have no choice but to trade him!

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