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    When Kawhi wins his 3rd title and finals mvp in 2020 with Clips, where you rank him?

    I say Top 10 all time.


    Thoughts.

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    To me he would solidify my opinion of best player in the NBA. Right now I feel like he's got a sweaty 3 finger grasp of it.

    As for all time.....whew. Top 20 lock?

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    Top 20 all time lock if he wins his 3rd ring...notice if he wins with the Clippers that will be 3 rings with 3 different teams. To me that would solidify him as the best player in the whole NBA bar none.

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    MJ
    LeBron
    Kawhi

    3rd best player ever.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaDe03 View Post
    MJ
    LeBron
    Kawhi

    3rd best player ever.
    Lmfao.

    Kawhi is so hilariously overrated right now man.

    I don't think there's even a clear case for him as the NBA's best player. Talking about a never MVP here.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tredigs View Post
    Lmfao.

    Kawhi is so hilariously overrated right now man.

    I don't think there's even a clear case for him as the NBA's best player. Talking about a never MVP here.
    I wasnít being serious lol

    Iíd say heís top 3 for sure right now with an engaged LeBron and healthy KD probably in front. If he wins this year Iíll have him as the best though, regular season MVP or not

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    Quote Originally Posted by WaDe03 View Post
    MJ
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    Kawhi

    3rd best player ever.
    That would be fair if he wins both Finals MVP and his 3rd title but if he then went on to win his 4th ring after that back to back then he would be top 5 all time in my book

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    All of the Top 10 alltime greats have in common is championships. You cant just boost Kwahi cause he won 3 with different teams. You have guys like Bird, Magic, Shaq, Duncan who all won 3 or more. Kwahi needs win another ring as well as to do more individually, he only has 3 allstar appearances and 3 All-NBA selections. I would say Top 20 without the 10+ AllNBA/Allstar appearances that the Top 10 greats all have in common

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    Quote Originally Posted by THE MTL View Post
    All of the Top 10 alltime greats have in common is championships. You cant just boost Kwahi cause he won 3 with different teams. You have guys like Bird, Magic, Shaq, Duncan who all won 3 or more. Kwahi needs win another ring as well as to do more individually, he only has 3 allstar appearances and 3 All-NBA selections. I would say Top 20 without the 10+ AllNBA/Allstar appearances that the Top 10 greats all have in common
    Good ol Kwahi!

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    I think if Kawhi were to win his 3rd title next season he'll be in that rarefied air of greats to where nothing short of championships will be able to boost his ranking. Guys like LeBron, KD, Curry, Harden, etc. The only thing moving them higher is titles at this point.

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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    I think if Kawhi were to win his 3rd title next season he'll be in that rarefied air of greats to where nothing short of championships will be able to boost his ranking. Guys like LeBron, KD, Curry, Harden, etc. The only thing moving them higher is titles at this point.
    How about an MVP or even 5 All NBA 1st Teams? His resume' is extremely limited. He is not close to the air some are discussing here.

    If that lucky shot against Philly bounces out and they lose in OT nobody is discussing him as the best player in the world, let alone some of the nonsense we are seeing in threads like these. He wasn't even particularly impressive in the Finals.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tredigs View Post
    How about an MVP or even 5 All NBA 1st Teams? His resume' is extremely limited. He is not close to the air some are discussing here.

    If that lucky shot against Philly bounces out and they lose in OT nobody is discussing him as the best player in the world, let alone some of the nonsense we are seeing in threads like these. He wasn't even particularly impressive in the Finals.
    Exactly! People were saying he was top 20 or top 15 ever after that finals win. Heís a hell of a player but his finals performance was nothing spectacular really and his 2014 finals MVP may be one of the weakest weíve seen, at least in the last 20-30 years.

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    Quote Originally Posted by tredigs View Post
    How about an MVP or even 5 All NBA 1st Teams? His resume' is extremely limited. He is not close to the air some are discussing here.

    If that lucky shot against Philly bounces out and they lose in OT nobody is discussing him as the best player in the world, let alone some of the nonsense we are seeing in threads like these. He wasn't even particularly impressive in the Finals.
    The numbers speak for themselves. His advanced numbers the last 3 postseasons put him up there amongst the best all-time. He is already a 2x DPOY, a 2x Finals MVP and a 2x Champion. If he were to win a 3rd one, chances are he makes an All-NBA team while doing it (if not an MVP possibly), maybe a DPOY, etc.

    That's 3 titles before the age of 30 and as many championships as Steph. You seem to be judging his resume right now, but if he does what he did this year next year, he will shoot up the rankings. Or put another way, how many people actually in the NBA at the moment would have a better all-time resume? The only 3 I can see are LeBron, Steph and KD. Maybe I'm missing someone but that's not very many.

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    I've said it before and I'll say it again. I think there's a really clear 14. Then there are three modern players after them fighting for positioning amongst each other and potentially that group.

    Personally, here's my list:

    LeBron
    MJ
    Kareem
    Russell
    Wilt
    Bird
    Duncan
    Hakeem
    Shaq
    Magic
    Jerry West
    Oscar
    Kobe
    Moses

    And then you have the following three players in slots 15-17. I think any of them could vault as high as the top five, but they're also competing with each other specifically. Right now, this is how I'd order them:

    Curry
    Durant
    Kawhi

    But they are VERY close, and I expect to reevaluate that grouping every year from now until the end of their careers. If Kawhi wins another title and Finals MVP this year, he probably vaults both of them. If Curry wins another regular-season MVP and drags this Warriors team on a meaningful playoff run, that means a lot to me. If Durant manages to become the first player to really truly overcome a torn Achilles, then that will mean a lot to me as well. But that's where I'd have them now.
    POOP

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    Quote Originally Posted by Quinnsanity View Post
    I've said it before and I'll say it again. I think there's a really clear 14. Then there are three modern players after them fighting for positioning amongst each other and potentially that group.

    Personally, here's my list:

    LeBron
    MJ
    Kareem
    Russell
    Wilt
    Bird
    Duncan
    Hakeem
    Shaq
    Magic
    Jerry West
    Oscar
    Kobe
    Moses

    And then you have the following three players in slots 15-17. I think any of them could vault as high as the top five, but they're also competing with each other specifically. Right now, this is how I'd order them:

    Curry
    Durant
    Kawhi

    But they are VERY close, and I expect to reevaluate that grouping every year from now until the end of their careers. If Kawhi wins another title and Finals MVP this year, he probably vaults both of them. If Curry wins another regular-season MVP and drags this Warriors team on a meaningful playoff run, that means a lot to me. If Durant manages to become the first player to really truly overcome a torn Achilles, then that will mean a lot to me as well. But that's where I'd have them now.
    You for real have Kawhi top 17 ALL Time? Over Kevin Garnett, D Wade, Dr. J, Karl Malone, Charles Barkley, etc etc. This is what I'm talking about here.

    He's a very good player, but pump the ****ing breaks people. He was brought in with warm blankets to the best organization in all of sports and helped put them back over the top once again in San Antonio. Earning Finals MVP in an easy win over the dismantling Heat on sub 20 ppg with no playmaking ability. At that point his lockdown D carried more weight (that consistently great D is long gone however). It was very much a team win. Duncan was still their clear leader/best player and All NBA 1st Team that year. It was like the Tony Parker or Iguodala Finals MVP. After not making it back to another Finals as the team's best player and throwing away a season, he then joined a 60 win Raptors team in the conference that finally lost Lebron and with some serious light shining from the bball Gods helped put them over the top (in the double OT win against the Bucks to fade going down 3-0, the lucky bounce against Philly in Game 7, and in playing a Finals Team that was at about 50% strength). It was great, but let's not act like this was some legendary carrying of a downtrodden franchise here. They crushed without him and he was simply the All NBA caliber player they needed to squeak them over the top in the newly opened conference. They were essentially gifted the Finals thereafter (Kawhi not taking over by any means).

    Again, we are talking about a 0X MVP here who has played in nothing but fantastic organizations that completely catered to his constant load management issues (and carried on just fine without him). He is certainly a guy you want on your playoff roster (especially well rested throughout the year), but give me a ****ing break with the top 20 All Time nonsense.

    I would also love to see him able to show up at the very top of the RPM/PIPM ladders at least a couple times (as is he has peaked at 5th).

    People are extremely clouded by recency bias with Kawhi. And frankly when you consider his first Finals MVP was against an imploding Heat team with the ghost of D Wade (Kawhi not even being his teams best player), and the second against a team with more significant injuries than any Finals team in history (with Kawhi not being some dominant presence on the floor), we can take those with a grain of salt as well. Specifically as his actual resume' has absolutely ZERO place in a top 20 debate.

    /rant.
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