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  1. #121
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    Quote Originally Posted by statquo View Post
    I don't think they believe in their system at all. Whoever wins will believe in it but the trust in that system has been completely obliterated over the last 20 years. They lost trust in their politicians for good reason, they lost trust in their institutions, kind of for good reason but mostly because of self sabotage, and watch them lose trust in their elections in November. You don't really have a system if you don't trust one major aspect of it.

    I read this a couple days ago and it really sums it all up:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...itions/610261/
    Couldn’t agree more. The system is broken. Even trump was voted in because he wasn’t a system man and the hope was that he would tear it down. Turns out he was exactly what everyone was afraid of - a fascist.
    He’s definitely getting his advice about “not appearing weak” from Putin.
    And now they’re putting a fence around the White House? He’s afraid of the people and he should be.

    They need to re-draft the constitution.

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    Quote Originally Posted by statquo View Post
    I don't think they believe in their system at all. Whoever wins will believe in it but the trust in that system has been completely obliterated over the last 20 years. They lost trust in their politicians for good reason, they lost trust in their institutions, kind of for good reason but mostly because of self sabotage, and watch them lose trust in their elections in November. You don't really have a system if you don't trust one major aspect of it.

    I read this a couple days ago and it really sums it all up:
    https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine...itions/610261/
    Either I didn't articulate well or you misunderstand what I mean. What I'm referring to is democracy, freedom of speech, 4 year terms for POTUS, that kind of stuff. Not necessarily the electoral college, lobbying, how laws are made, etc. Does that make any more sense?

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike_noodles View Post
    Either I didn't articulate well or you misunderstand what I mean. What I'm referring to is democracy, freedom of speech, 4 year terms for POTUS, that kind of stuff. Not necessarily the electoral college, lobbying, how laws are made, etc. Does that make any more sense?
    I think a lot of those could be debatable considering where their public discourse has run. IMO with Trump we've got to put an approximate number behind the extremes on both sides in terms of people power, and I can't say either of those sides are very democratic. In fact, I'd say they want an autocratic system, as long as their person is in charge. And those extremes aren't small in numbers, especially on the Trump side. Their country is so polarized that they hate each other based on who they support. Like literally hate each other. I mean Trump called protestors terrorists, and there was zero pushback from his side. That's pretty telling. And we know what Americans think of terrorism.

    That's hard to fathom for me coming from Canada. Speaking for myself as a westerner, the east and particular Quebec drives me crazy and pisses me off at times, but I've never hated them.


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    Quote Originally Posted by statquo View Post
    I think a lot of those could be debatable considering where their public discourse has run. IMO with Trump we've got to put an approximate number behind the extremes on both sides in terms of people power, and I can't say either of those sides are very democratic. In fact, I'd say they want an autocratic system, as long as their person is in charge. And those extremes aren't small in numbers, especially on the Trump side. Their country is so polarized that they hate each other based on who they support. Like literally hate each other. I mean Trump called protestors terrorists, and there was zero pushback from his side. That's pretty telling. And we know what Americans think of terrorism.

    That's hard to fathom for me coming from Canada. Speaking for myself as a westerner, the east and particular Quebec drives me crazy and pisses me off at times, but I've never hated them.
    Agreed. I also think the experiment of a pure capitalist state has run its course. capitalism no longer equates to the best end result for the most amount of people.

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    Jose cansenco is planning on running for president.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ChongInc. View Post
    Jose cansenco is planning on running for president.
    He broke the steroid use

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike_noodles View Post
    Yes, grateful to be where we are and when we are. But I'm sure we all agree, that racism is alive and well in Canada. The treatment of indigenous people here is appalling.
    Crime is much worse down in Florida compared to here. Some of it due to relaxed gun laws. People are a lot more brave and can do more damage with a gun in their hands.

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    Who's for defunding the police? I'm all for it and think the 10% cut being proposed to the Toronto police is a joke. Also Mark Saunders stepped down as chief with 8 months left in his contract. I think the man knows a sinking ship when he sees one.
    Quote Originally Posted by ChongInc. View Post
    Facts can be hypothetical.

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    Quote Originally Posted by R. Johnson#3 View Post
    Who's for defunding the police? I'm all for it and think the 10% cut being proposed to the Toronto police is a joke. Also Mark Saunders stepped down as chief with 8 months left in his contract. I think the man knows a sinking ship when he sees one.
    I don't like that term, however police departments definitely need fixing,

    A couple of things that can be implemented fairly quickly

    Body cams
    Community policing

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    Quote Originally Posted by hanton View Post
    I don't like that term, however police departments definitely need fixing,

    A couple of things that can be implemented fairly quickly

    Body cams
    Community policing
    Body came have already been proven to make little to no difference in policing in other countries. Toronto Police Services (TPS) started the process of bringing body cams in back in 2017 but still don't have officers fully equipped. Not even close. They site malfunctions, lack of training and cost. Meanwhile the city of Toronto paid TPS over $25 million last year for paid duty work. Paid duty work is when you see cops standing around doing nothing at festivals, construction sites and sporting events. They do anything they can to avoid accountability.

    What do you mean by community policing? As in civilian organizations? I don't know if the police union would be alright with letting civilians take their money for doing actual policing. They have allowed civilian organizations to come in and take over jobs such as crime analyst and booker. There's also Civilian District Special Constables who escort criminals to and from court and do other work the police don't want to do. Despite them actually hiring civilians to do their ***** work, crime in the city has been on the rise for the last 5 years.

    Disbanding the union has been an interesting thought as well. The police union has a stranglehold on the city and are constantly milking us for everything they can get. Over 50% of Toronto police officers made north of $100 000 last year and supposedly Mark Saunders made $400 000.
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    Facts can be hypothetical.

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    One issue is that police forces do their hiring more based on what you can do physically, than what you can do mentally and emotionally. Niagara Falls region had a huge problem with steroids after hiring many failed football players.

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    Quote Originally Posted by mike_noodles View Post
    One issue is that police forces do their hiring more based on what you can do physically, than what you can do mentally and emotionally. Niagara Falls region had a huge problem with steroids after hiring many failed football players.
    Not the least bit surprised to be honest. Cops have huge supplies of all kinds of controlled substances. Back when I was in the Army steroids were a big thing and some guys got them from cops.

    Edit: Not directly from cops but directed to a source.
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    https://toronto.ctvnews.ca/toronto-c...girl-1.4981330

    10 men got busted for trying to solicit sex from a 16 year old. 1 of them was a cop and he's suspended WITH pay. Defund the pigs.
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    I’m torn on defunding the fuzz. They’re asked to do a lot of things they shouldn’t have to. But there’s that need for community investment that can eventually make things better, but IMO that should come from the provinces and feds but never does.

    I went to school with a few buddies who went on to be cops and they’re great guys who just wanted to do their part. There’s always bad ones, and they’re put in some tough situations. Cops need reform, but I’m not sure defunding them is the answer. Like all things you don’t fund, you get what you put into them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by statquo View Post
    I’m torn on defunding the fuzz. They’re asked to do a lot of things they shouldn’t have to. But there’s that need for community investment that can eventually make things better, but IMO that should come from the provinces and feds but never does.

    I went to school with a few buddies who went on to be cops and they’re great guys who just wanted to do their part. There’s always bad ones, and they’re put in some tough situations. Cops need reform, but I’m not sure defunding them is the answer. Like all things you don’t fund, you get what you put into them.
    The funding gets redirected to social programs that help to prevent crime and to places that deal with the things the police should not be. Investing in things like social workers, mental health clinics, etc.

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