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    Quote Originally Posted by All-In View Post
    It's going to be tough to win ROY when guys like Zion and Morant are probably going to be putting up pretty impressive stat sheets....I think 2nd team all-rookie is more realistic for Herro

    On a side note:

    We just signed one of my 2017 irrational draft crush's in Davon Reed...For most of his NBA career he's either been hurt or putting up sub-par performances in the g-league

    I thought he had a chance to be a poor man's Danny Green, like a decent 3-and-D wing, maybe still does...we've had a lot of success in our player development system so I'm interested to see if he gets a two-way player spot
    Man, people are really sipping the Homerade already.

    Herro has zero chance at ROY. I feel he also has no chance of even starting in the Rookie vs Sophomore game. He may not end up getting an invite.

    He's still a player with short arms and no explosive ability. I see him having a Luke Kennard type rookie season. That would be a solid season. But if you can't tell, I've still not come around on him and still feel he has low potential.

    Trust it, I'll be the first to admit if I'm wrong.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beasted86 View Post
    Man, people are really sipping the Homerade already.

    Herro has zero chance at ROY. I feel he also has no chance of even starting in the Rookie vs Sophomore game. He may not end up getting an invite.

    He's still a player with short arms and no explosive ability. I see him having a Luke Kennard type rookie season. That would be a solid season. But if you can't tell, I've still not come around on him and still feel he has low potential.

    Trust it, I'll be the first to admit if I'm wrong.
    Yea, I can see Herro come off the bench and average around 20 min per game and maybe around 8 pts per game....One of the things to monitor will be his defense...we've seen Spo limit a players playing time due to defensive woes, poor defense can really derail a players career....We're going to need his shooting regardless so hopefully he brings a baseline of three point efficiency with adequate defense

    The start of the season is right around the corner so I'm super excited to see our rotations.....does Dragic come off the bench? Will Winslow be the starting PG? Will Bam/Olynyk be the starting frontcourt? Who will be our closing five man lineup?

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    Quote Originally Posted by All-In View Post
    Yea, I can see Herro come off the bench and average around 20 min per game and maybe around 8 pts per game....One of the things to monitor will be his defense...we've seen Spo limit a players playing time due to defensive woes, poor defense can really derail a players career....We're going to need his shooting regardless so hopefully he brings a baseline of three point efficiency with adequate defense

    The start of the season is right around the corner so I'm super excited to see our rotations.....does Dragic come off the bench? Will Winslow be the starting PG? Will Bam/Olynyk be the starting frontcourt? Who will be our closing five man lineup?
    If I were a betting man, I feel the lineup to start the season will be:

    PG: Justise / Dragic
    SG: Waiters / Herro
    SF: Butler / Jones
    PF: Olynk / Johnson
    C:: Bam / Leonard

    Attempting to go with a defensive minded unit. But Waiters and Winslow are the brick brothers, taking turns driving inside and missing layups, both pretending to be PGs with the lack of a true PG in the lineup next to the other.


    Spo will probably test out swapping Winslow for Dragić or Waiters for Herro. But in reality what lineup will work best is probably swapping Waiters for Dragić and going "big" with Butler at the SG:

    PG: Dragić / Waiters
    SG: Butler / Herro
    SF: Winslow / Jones
    PF: Olynk / Johnson
    C:: Bam / Leonard

    What Miami really needs is to find a way to trade for Gallianari (JJ+ Jones?) to play as the stretch 4 PF That's what would make this team intriguing and a possible 2nd round team.

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    Whatever Spo decides... I just want to see this lineup together

    Dragic
    Herro
    Butler
    Djj
    Bam

    & I believe the starting lineup will be.

    Dragic
    Waiters
    Butler
    Bam
    Leonard

    Winslow 6th man







    Quote Originally Posted by IKnowHoops View Post
    As a rookie Micheal Beasley averaged 13.9pts per game on .472 shooting. Do you know how many times Kobe Bryant or Tracy Mcgrady shot at that percent or better? Never in there whole careers. If Beas can be what he was when he was a rookie (he won't hell be better) then the heat are coming away with another steal.

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    Winslow is going to start. We'll see if it will be at point guard like he (and many Heat fans) wants, but he is going to start.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beasted86 View Post
    If I were a betting man, I feel the lineup to start the season will be:

    PG: Justise / Dragic
    SG: Waiters / Herro
    SF: Butler / Jones
    PF: Olynk / Johnson
    C:: Bam / Leonard

    Attempting to go with a defensive minded unit. But Waiters and Winslow are the brick brothers, taking turns driving inside and missing layups, both pretending to be PGs with the lack of a true PG in the lineup next to the other.


    Spo will probably test out swapping Winslow for Dragić or Waiters for Herro. But in reality what lineup will work best is probably swapping Waiters for Dragić and going "big" with Butler at the SG:

    PG: Dragić / Waiters
    SG: Butler / Herro
    SF: Winslow / Jones
    PF: Olynk / Johnson
    C:: Bam / Leonard

    What Miami really needs is to find a way to trade for Gallianari (JJ+ Jones?) to play as the stretch 4 PF That's what would make this team intriguing and a possible 2nd round team.
    Yea Spo tinkers around with the lineups a ton so it's probably going to vary, but if I had to say which lineup starts day one I'd go with either:

    Winslow
    Waiters
    Butler
    Olynyk
    Bam
    ~It's basically our lineup last season (when Dragic was hurt) but replacing JRich for Butler, good defensive lineup like you said and Bam/Olynyk played pretty well together last year

    OR

    Dragic
    Waiters
    Butler
    Winslow
    Bam
    ~Arguably our 4 best ball handlers around Bam, solid offensive/defensive balance.....If DJJ takes a leap this season as a 3-and-D wing then Dragic, Butler, DJJ, Winslow, Bam could be a better lineup

    We might give JJ a bunch of playing time as soon as the season opens to try to balloon his trade value, there's definitely an upgrade still to be made

    It would've been nice if we had Carsen Edwards, Okpala is more of a project while Edwards would've been a perfect backup ball handler...Okpala has more upside due to elite physical frame but having as many players who can break you down off the dribble is just so important to have

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    Quote Originally Posted by All-In View Post
    OR

    Dragic
    Waiters
    Butler
    Winslow
    Bam
    ~Arguably our 4 best ball handlers around Bam, solid offensive/defensive balance.....
    I can see Spo using this lineup. But I honestly don't see why Winslow has to start, with Dragic. One of them can be the 6man, there is nothing wrong with that.

    Both of them will be playing in the last 4min of a game anyway.

    Quote Originally Posted by All-In View Post
    If DJJ takes a leap this season as a 3-and-D wing then Dragic, Butler, DJJ, Winslow, Bam could be a better lineup
    I really like Djj, so him starting is fine with me. i know Waiters will flip though lol

    Quote Originally Posted by All-In View Post
    We might give JJ a bunch of playing time as soon as the season opens to try to balloon his trade value, there's definitely an upgrade still to be made
    2-3 players need to be shipped out.







    Quote Originally Posted by IKnowHoops View Post
    As a rookie Micheal Beasley averaged 13.9pts per game on .472 shooting. Do you know how many times Kobe Bryant or Tracy Mcgrady shot at that percent or better? Never in there whole careers. If Beas can be what he was when he was a rookie (he won't hell be better) then the heat are coming away with another steal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by unleashthebeast View Post
    Winslow is going to start. We'll see if it will be at point guard like he (and many Heat fans) wants, but he is going to start.
    This may be true, but I am just saying he doesn't need to.
    Last edited by Dade County; 09-24-2019 at 07:15 PM.







    Quote Originally Posted by IKnowHoops View Post
    As a rookie Micheal Beasley averaged 13.9pts per game on .472 shooting. Do you know how many times Kobe Bryant or Tracy Mcgrady shot at that percent or better? Never in there whole careers. If Beas can be what he was when he was a rookie (he won't hell be better) then the heat are coming away with another steal.

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    Miami needs rebounding in a bad way. In not even sure BAM at the 5 is enough. We have no offensive rebounding. Whiteside was useful in that regard at least.

    When I hear people suggesting DJJ or Winslow at the PF, I cringe.

    In other news, for whatever stupid reason, Miami still has interest in CP3.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beasted86 View Post
    Miami needs rebounding in a bad way. In not even sure BAM at the 5 is enough. We have no offensive rebounding. Whiteside was useful in that regard at least.

    When I hear people suggesting DJJ or Winslow at the PF, I cringe.

    In other news, for whatever stupid reason, Miami still has interest in CP3.
    With Whiteside on the court last season our rebounding percentage was 53%, without him it was 49%, GSW and Toronto both had 50% rebounding percentage last season and Houston/Boston were at 48%

    DJJ averaged 8.3 rebounds per 40 same as Olynyk last season and Winslow averaged 7.2 rebounds per 40 and was PG for a chunk of it, Butler is also a better rebounder than JRich

    I think more importantly we need to improve our true shooting percentage and turnover percentage, both of which were bottom 5 in the league last season

    We're going to be a worse team rebounding regardless who our frontcourt is, the trade off needs to be better ball control and higher efficiency

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dade County View Post
    I can see Spo using this lineup. But I honestly don't see why Winslow has to start, with Dragic. One of them can be the 6man, there is nothing wrong with that.

    Both of them will be playing in the last 4min of a game anyway.



    I really like Djj, so him starting is fine with me. i know Waiters will flip though lol



    2-3 players need to be shipped out.
    Yea, maybe Dragic, Waiters, Butler, Winslow, Bam could be a closing lineup more than a starting lineup....I just can't see Winslow coming off the bench, he's arguably our 2nd best two-way player....It could ultimately be Waiters coming off the bench with a starting lineup of Dragic, Butler, Winslow, Oylynk/Leonard, Bam

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    Quote Originally Posted by All-In View Post
    With Whiteside on the court last season our rebounding percentage was 53%, without him it was 49%, GSW and Toronto both had 50% rebounding percentage last season and Houston/Boston were at 48%

    DJJ averaged 8.3 rebounds per 40 same as Olynyk last season and Winslow averaged 7.2 rebounds per 40 and was PG for a chunk of it, Butler is also a better rebounder than JRich

    I think more importantly we need to improve our true shooting percentage and turnover percentage, both of which were bottom 5 in the league last season

    We're going to be a worse team rebounding regardless who our frontcourt is, the trade off needs to be better ball control and higher efficiency
    Your take didn't account for the fact we're a much lower volume offense than those teams. We won't need to rely on offensive rebounding if the offense is just plain better.

    But yes, FT shooting and turnovers were the Achilles heel. I agree the overall efficiency needs to improve when we're likely to continue being a slower pace team.

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    Quote Originally Posted by beasted86 View Post
    Miami needs rebounding in a bad way. In not even sure BAM at the 5 is enough. We have no offensive rebounding. Whiteside was useful in that regard at least.

    When I hear people suggesting DJJ or Winslow at the PF, I cringe.
    Nothing we can do about that. Spo will go small an athletic, until we can get a true big man that isn't lazy.

    Quote Originally Posted by beasted86 View Post
    In other news, for whatever stupid reason, Miami still has interest in CP3.
    Miami most be getting their 2 first rd picks back & Cp3 most have informed them, that he will opt out of the final year of his contract.







    Quote Originally Posted by IKnowHoops View Post
    As a rookie Micheal Beasley averaged 13.9pts per game on .472 shooting. Do you know how many times Kobe Bryant or Tracy Mcgrady shot at that percent or better? Never in there whole careers. If Beas can be what he was when he was a rookie (he won't hell be better) then the heat are coming away with another steal.

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    ESPN The Jump ... CP3 News

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FT3iZniccX8







    Quote Originally Posted by IKnowHoops View Post
    As a rookie Micheal Beasley averaged 13.9pts per game on .472 shooting. Do you know how many times Kobe Bryant or Tracy Mcgrady shot at that percent or better? Never in there whole careers. If Beas can be what he was when he was a rookie (he won't hell be better) then the heat are coming away with another steal.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Dade County View Post
    OKC is crazy if they think we're going to give up a draft pick for Chris Paul and unless CP3 gives up his player option then there really shouldn't be anything to talk about

    I highly doubt CP3 will decline his option but lets say he will then something like CP3, one of our 1st rounders back for Dragic, JJ and Meyers Leonard would be fine...we would have to sign another big (or just promote Kyle Alexander/Chris Silva from the g-league) to fill that void left by JJ/Leonard

    But even tho CP3 is injury prone and age 34 going on 35 he's still one of the better two-way point guards in the league and posted a +4.76 real plus/minus which was 4th best for point guards only behind Curry, Harden and Lillard...not bad

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