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    Quote Originally Posted by lizardking13 View Post
    People keep coming up with sufficient reasons, and yet he is still here. It's mind boggling.
    It is mind boggling. I really hope and pray that we get embarrassed on National TV again and force Sheila's hand.



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    The ONLY thing I can support for him still being here is giving him T-Day as one last lame duck game. This way it gives whoever fills in as the interim coach 10 days to prepare. It's not for Patricia's sake but for whoever is next.

    Also, please fire Bevell and his archaic offense.

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    Quote Originally Posted by vader817 View Post
    It is mind boggling. I really hope and pray that we get embarrassed on National TV again and force Sheila's hand.
    We will.

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    Quote Originally Posted by whooligun View Post
    Staffordís spoiled wife with a rich, white girl rant about living under a dictatorship in Michigan. Poor thing...
    did someone tell her to cover up her pretty face with a mask?

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    Quote Originally Posted by LionsFan..LOL View Post
    The ONLY thing I can support for him still being here is giving him T-Day as one last lame duck game. This way it gives whoever fills in as the interim coach 10 days to prepare. It's not for Patricia's sake but for whoever is next.

    Also, please fire Bevell and his archaic offense.
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    Figured I'd post this here. Conversation from The Athletic.

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    Matthew Staffordís future, and other questions as the Lions start over again


    By Nick Baumgardner and Chris Burke 2h ago 15
    The two questions hanging over the Lionsí 2020 season have been answered: Bob Quinn and Matt Patricia are out and the franchise is starting over.

    On Saturday, owner Sheila Ford Hamp and team president Rod Wood announced plans to begin the process of finding a new general manager and head coach. There is also potential for more organizational shifts. Obviously, there is a lot to discuss here, including Matthew Staffordís future with the franchise.

    So, letís get into it.

    Nick Baumgardner: Chris, this had felt inevitable for some time. Darrell Bevell will lead the way the rest of the year as Hamp and Wood search for replacements. I know youíre not surprised this happened. But letís start with your initial thoughts, for the rest of the year and beyond, after listening to Hamp and Wood on Saturday.

    Chris Burke: No, I donít think anyone was surprised. Mounting injuries or not, the Lions just looked disinterested the past two weeks, erasing any last hopes ownership had that this might magically turn around. Hamp even said as much: ďTen days ago, we looked like we had a good chance to be playoff-bound. Both of those games (Carolina and Houston) were extremely disappointing.Ē But there wasnít much evidence when this team was 4-5 that it was trending upward.

    Itís apparent there is a lot of work in front of Hamp and Wood from here. She said theyíve only just begun the process of evaluating their organization and figuring out where to get help on these searches. If youíre a Lions fan, that admission might make you nervous ó in an ideal world, they wouldíve had this plotted out weeks ago and hit the ground running. But I can appreciate Hamp taking her time here. This is potentially a legacy-defining moment for her.

    Baumgardner: I think itís absolutely a defining moment for her and something weíve all been sort of looking at for more than a year. I can understand her not having all the answers Saturday, and she admitted as much. There are so many hypotheticals that come with a process like this. You have to be cautious with what you say and what you donít say. I will say her comments about looking into organizational structure changes were encouraging. And while I wouldíve preferred to hear definitively ďweíre changing the way we structure our front office,Ē Iím willing to see what happens.

    Because there is a lot of work here. This roster was created mostly through free agency with a very, very specific set of traits in mind and itís hard to see how much of that is salvageable for the next regime. So before we get into the weeds on where Hamp and Wood might go, letís start with the biggest question facing anyone taking either job: What pieces already here can exist as a reliable early foundation for the next regime?


    Sheila Ford Hampís selections of the next Lions coach and GM could be legacy-defining. (Ralph Freso / Getty Images)
    Burke: Yeah, the concern here is: Where is she going to find those answers? The Lions donít really have the structure in place to handle this all internally, but weíve seen what can come from using a search firm or the NFLís assistance.

    As for the roster, we have to start with the quarterback. Anytime a new regime comes in, it puts the incumbent QB on notice, and Matthew Stafford is in an interesting spot anyway ó mid 30s, tough contract to move, etc. In my mind, though, heís still the biggest selling point for any coach or GM eyeing this Detroit job. If youíre a prospective head coach, thereís a lot of security in having an established veteran quarterback in place; if youíre a GM hopeful, youíve either got that piece to build around or you have an extremely valuable trade chip.

    Baumgardner: Right. It doesnít seem like Hamp or Wood is opposed to asking for help, be it from the league and/or a firm. I still think they need to be willing to invest in a third hire, though. Football president/exec, GM and head coach. Thatís the easiest way to cut the margins down and compete for the top talent available. My fear today for the Lions is that theyíre going to go about this as-is and end up making a lot of calls that go straight to voicemail. Weíll see.

    The Stafford conversation is fascinating. As weíve discussed, there are ways to transition from Stafford to a younger quarterback (we have a lot of college tape to watch in the coming months) that doesnít include trading him immediately. Staffordís been here 12 years and has been a soldier for the Fords, though. If he wants to leave, they should listen to him. If he wants to stay and try to work this out with the franchiseís long-term future in mind, you can have that conversation, too. But they need a plan in place first. My preference for the next head coach would be an offensive mind, though Iím not married to that. Still, it does feel like most of the usable parts moving forward are on that side of the ball. And there is some potential versatility in there.

    Will Bevell run the ďVarsity BluesĒ offense next month so we can see it?

    Burke: Man, I hope so. The Lions wonít be playing for much other than jobs and draft slots, so they at least could be more entertaining. I do think itíll be interesting to see if the offense opens up, because that would be an indication Patricia held Bevell back, to a degree.

    A lot of this goes to the overarching plan for the organization and the next GM, right? If theyíre about to Miami Dolphins this thing ó completely blow it up and stockpile draft picks ó then it doesnít make a whole lot of sense to have Stafford play out the final two years of his deal, especially with a $33 million cap hit next season. If they think they can spin it back to wild-card contention in a hurry (and Iím not saying they can), then you canít go Chase Daniel-plus-rookie-QB route.

    But there are a lot of other difficult decisions to be made. Do you get the Kenny Golladay contract done? Hand Frank Ragnow an extension? Cut Desmond Trufant (probably), Justin Coleman (maybe), Jesse James (yes) or any other veterans?

    Youíve just been hired as the new GM, Nick. Where do you start?

    Baumgardner: Thereís a lot of stuff happening here. Before anyone wants to get into a scheme debate, the roster needs a lot of work. The quarterback situation needs to be figured out first. Trevor Lawrence looks like a generational talent. Justin Fields could be, too. Zach Wilson and Trey Lance are also intriguing. So you have to sit down with Stafford, see where heís at and really explore everything there in terms of where you are, whatís worth what and so on.

    Youíve got a decent start on an offensive line with Ragnow, Taylor Decker and Jonah Jackson. Ragnow needs an extension. DíAndre Swift and T.J. Hockenson are positives. Golladayís ask has to be factored in, but the Lions really canít afford to let him just walk, either. The Lions need to see if they can get out of the James and Coleman deals. Probably the same with Halapoulivaati Vaitai and Trufant. The entire linebacking corps needs to be rebuilt. Iíd like to see Tracy Walker get a fresh start, but they need better safeties, too. They need an upgrade along the defensive interior. Basically, everywhere.

    But it has to start with the quarterback spot. This should be viewed as a full-on reset everywhere. Trying to twist and turn this thing into a backdoor wild-card team next year makes little sense because itís probably not a realistic ask, barring some sizable turnaround. Iíd ask you the same: What are some of the first things on the to-do list here in terms of organizational help?

    Burke: Vaitai is probably here for at least one more season, but thereís no doubt the next regime will have a ton on its plate. For as much work as Patricia and Quinn said they had to do to shape the roster, itís probably in worse shape now in terms of long-term pieces and the cap.

    For me, once you make a decision on quarterback, youíve got to put a heavy focus on the defensive front seven. This team is not winning anything, under anyone, until it can put together a more competitive group there. And, again, how many guys do you trust to be here beyond even 2020 or í21? Trey Flowers, John Penisini, Julian Okwara and Austin Bryant if you can keep them healthy, maybe Danny Shelton. Is that it? Are there any linebackers worth folding into the foundation?

    I agree with you: Especially if the Lions commit to Stafford for a bit longer, this offense could be playoff-caliber immediately. How they approach the defense will determine whether this is pitched as a short-term or long-term project.

    Baumgardner: If youíve got Stafford here one more year, then you can reasonably craft something that should help this unit function at its potential. Really, in my view, this was the case for firing Patricia midyear and not afterward. The offense has been a structural mess and thereís absolutely no reason for it. The young guys have to play now. We knew the defense had problems and the next regime will have to figure out how to make that work, but there are pieces offensively ó including some long-term answers ó to build around. If you handle the QB transition (easier said than done), well, you might be closer to getting a dynamic outfit than people realize.

    Spread the field out these next few weeks, hope Swift can get healthy, keep Marvin Hall/Quintez Cephus/Jamal Agnew in the rotation and see where it goes. Maybe those pieces will give the Lions more clarity about whether they need to start over at QB (and elsewhere) immediately or should try to ride it out.

    Coaches on this staff: Everybody loves Brayden Coombs. This is tricky. Do you go out of your way to make the next staff keep assistants?


    DíAndre Swift is a young player who could turn into a foundational piece in Detroit. (Tony Ding / Associated Press)
    Burke: This is one of those that might be easier to answer if the access was better in 2020. Coombs is a keeper, for sure. Running backs coach Kyle Caskey probably belongs in that category, too, and itíd make sense to retain OL coach Hank Fraley and WR coach Robert Prince, if they want to stay. Defensively, I really donít know. Which position group has made tangible progress this season or developed its young talent?

    It feels like a complete reset is in order on that side of the ball, doesnít it? Which isnít necessarily a bad thing as youíre bringing in a new coach. Whoever lands the job should be given autonomy to make those decisions.

    Baumgardner: Last thing from me: When we look at where this has to go, the Lions need to prioritize finding a leader who has extensive, successful college scouting experience. This is why we always point to organizations like Seattle and Baltimore, which are constantly in position to pivot and build through the draft. The NFL game is insanely difficult to plan for, long term. That was part of the problem with the Quinn-Patricia mindset: This isnít college; youíre not building a program. You have windows and theyíre not very wide. Your eye has to be good enough to spot young talent to keep yourself in position to pivot when necessary. If you donít act until thereís a problem, itís often too late. You need to be able to stay fluid, and that happens via the draft.

    If the Lions find a leader who can provide that, this is a win. Hamp and Wood might have to get lucky if they canít come up with a solid plan to sell to prospective coach and GM candidates. But this shouldnít be impossible.

    Chris, you covered the entire Patricia regime. You know where this was when it started and where it is now. Iím curious to hear your general thoughts/feelings here as Hamp embarks on what feels like a pretty big endeavor.

    Burke: First and foremost, Hamp (and anyone who has her ear) needs to decide what their priorities are going to be. The Lions just bottomed out pairing an up-and-coming GM candidate with his hand-picked coach, so do they go back the other way and look for experience? They also need to address the locker-room atmosphere, one way or another, and decide if Hamp needs a football-oriented right-hand man (or woman).

    This is going to be a huge undertaking, and it all needs to be completed within the next month or two, so the Lions donít fall way behind schedule heading into the 2021 offseason. Itís hard to feel overly confident that this organization will get every little detail right. At the least, Hamp has to find people who bring a clear and realistic path forward.




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    A roster that has little NFL athleticism continues to get less athletic (I genuinely wonder if the Lions have the least athletic roster in the NFL):

    NFL Network's Mike Garafolo reports the Lions "plan to waive" WR Marvin Hall.
    The team wants to take a longer look at the younger receivers on the roster like Quintez Cephus and to a lesser extent Jamal Agnew. It's in the best long-term interest for the organization even if Hall is more polished right now. If Hall is waived, there's a chance he's claimed as a depth option.
    No Hall is not an earth shattering move but when your WR core (among other crucial spots) is loaded with slower WR and WR's that generate no separation it seems like an odd move. As if we don't know what Agnew has to offer too.

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    Quote Originally Posted by LionsFan..LOL View Post
    A roster that has little NFL athleticism continues to get less athletic (I genuinely wonder if the Lions have the least athletic roster in the NFL):



    No Hall is not an earth shattering move but when your WR core (among other crucial spots) is loaded with slower WR and WR's that generate no separation it seems like an odd move. As if we don't know what Agnew has to offer too.
    Yeah you can just fire the person who suggested this right now...Hall may not be great but he is good enough to play for this **** team.
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    yeah the Agnew move to WR has not worked, rather keep the WR with talent over the specialist who specializes in an aspect of the game that is getting phased out

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    Go lions!

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    So angry to hear Jerry Reese's name attached to the lions already.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garnotm View Post
    So angry to hear Jerry Reese's name attached to the lions already.
    Donít read this:

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    Quote Originally Posted by whooligun View Post
    no that is exactly why...the guy one his superbowls his first and fourth year as a gm...basically other guys players.
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    Quote Originally Posted by garnotm View Post
    no that is exactly why...the guy one his superbowls his first and fourth year as a gm...basically other guys players.
    Yeah. Took a SB winning roster and turned it into a joke. Sounds like a perfect candidate for the Lions.

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