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    So Saudi Arabia gets attacked and here the Us comes? Same country that had the most members of the 9/11 attack? Yeah sounds about right.

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    And this is why a lot of countries see us as a threat to world peace. We just love to use our military might for whatever, real or made up, reason.
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    Quote Originally Posted by dbroncos78087 View Post
    I mean, Saudi Arabia did pay up so at least in this case he’s consistent
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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    And this is why a lot of countries see us as a threat to world peace. We just love to use our military might for whatever, real or made up, reason.
    Whatever anyone's opinion is of the US military's usage, they've been the largest and most effective factor of stability in the world for the last 30 years. The last ten years of instability in the world can be partly attributed to the US pulling back militarily and diplomatically in the world, because they're in decline. And it's a bad time to go on decline when you're still trying to clean up after the 9/11 wars.


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    Quote Originally Posted by statquo View Post
    Whatever anyone's opinion is of the US military's usage, they've been the largest and most effective factor of stability in the world for the last 30 years. The last ten years of instability in the world can be partly attributed to the US pulling back militarily and diplomatically in the world, because they're in decline. And it's a bad time to go on decline when you're still trying to clean up after the 9/11 wars.
    Are you crapping me? Within the last thirty (more like twenty) years, we have torn up Iraq to the point that ISIS raised up, our covert attack in Libya and overthrowing their leader has resulted in open slave market there now, Syria is a battleground for major world forces, our support of the Saudi is tearing up Yemen. The whole middle east has been throw into turmoil causing millions of death and refugees flooding into Europe because of our foreign policies and if we leave Afghanistan, a bloodbath will happen when the Taliban come back to power. Everywhere we have sent troop, we leave that place in such turmoil that it might take decades for them to recover from. We don't provide stability we cause instability. Ask an Iraqis if this isn't so. Or a Libyan standing on stage to be sold if he is glad we help overthrow their old leader.

    Please let's not do anymore cleanup for 9/11. I think the world got the message. Besides, I blame the shoddy work the CIA, FBI more for not preventing this. They are supposed to protect us. I will always be pissed that no one was fired for allowing this to happen. And our government for using 9/11 to invade a country that had nothing to do with it and supporting one where most of those hijackers came from
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    Yeah, that's hogwash statquo. Look at the regime changes we've backed and what's come from it. Not even just in the Middle East. I'd argue that undeniably a better post 9/11 plan would have been to put literally zero boots on the ground and shore up our **** here. Instead we started two forever wars that have metastasized and spread beyond those countries...and what do we have for it? A massive debt! The best kind of debt: wasteful ones that don't help Americans! Oh, and millions of dead civilians. Neat.

    Anyways, the rhetoric continues to ramp up. It's just so ridiculous how low the bar is. Even Trump supporters at least once pretended like they didn't want this. We'll see what happens if god forbid we do go to war. Who the **** cares about the Saudi's? And hell, the Saudis are doing far worse things on our dime than Iran is. We're literally funding and supporting genocide in Yemen. Illegally. Yet we're all so detached that no one cares.

    Iran has no nukes.
    Iran has a smaller military budget than Canada.
    Iran is surrounded by US military bases.
    Iran poses no threat the the US or any of its citizens.

    Yet here we are...


    Just one more reminder to anyone who pretends to, or truly does care about this stuff...think long and hard about who you support in the primary. Many of the Democratic candidates clearly will do nothing to stop the status quo. We can do better than Pete, Harris and Biden. A lot better.
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    The US Special Representative for Iran, Brian Hook, held a call with staffers today and according to sources said the Saudis view this attack as "their 9/11".

    "Their 9/11" IMO was, you know...9/11.

    https://twitter.com/ZcohenCNN/status...30021342687233

    Honestly kind of insulting that anyone would say that and we wouldn't just laugh in their faces. Let's not eat up the propaganda this time.
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    Quote Originally Posted by statquo View Post
    Whatever anyone's opinion is of the US military's usage, they've been the largest and most effective factor of stability in the world for the last 30 years. The last ten years of instability in the world can be partly attributed to the US pulling back militarily and diplomatically in the world, because they're in decline. And it's a bad time to go on decline when you're still trying to clean up after the 9/11 wars.
    Agreed with the other two above me. What an asinine idea, that the Pax Americana has brought anything but misery to those in central Asia, the middle east, northern Africa, and (most importantly for most of us here) the nation whose foreign policy was hijacked by these animals. Due to our web of relations and other policies we are basically on a crash course with the whole Muslim world and for no real good reason.

    If you look at the post-USSR world and see peace you're on drugs.

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    Quote Originally Posted by WES445 View Post
    Are you crapping me? Within the last thirty (more like twenty) years, we have torn up Iraq to the point that ISIS raised up, our covert attack in Libya and overthrowing their leader has resulted in open slave market there now, Syria is a battleground for major world forces, our support of the Saudi is tearing up Yemen. The whole middle east has been throw into turmoil causing millions of death and refugees flooding into Europe because of our foreign policies and if we leave Afghanistan, a bloodbath will happen when the Taliban come back to power. Everywhere we have sent troop, we leave that place in such turmoil that it might take decades for them to recover from. We don't provide stability we cause instability. Ask an Iraqis if this isn't so. Or a Libyan standing on stage to be sold if he is glad we help overthrow their old leader.

    Please let's not do anymore cleanup for 9/11. I think the world got the message. Besides, I blame the shoddy work the CIA, FBI more for not preventing this. They are supposed to protect us. I will always be pissed that no one was fired for allowing this to happen. And our government for using 9/11 to invade a country that had nothing to do with it and supporting one where most of those hijackers came from
    Iraq was truly the biggest disaster and factor of instability we've seen and what will always keep George W Bush as one of the worst presidents of all time (not to mention being on watch of 9/11). But I feel you're really underappreciating the US military's capabilities as a cause for good and stability. Take out the US military and ask yourself what Europe would look like? Does North Korea step over the DMZ and attack South Korea or Japan? What does Israel's security situation look like? Libya is a disaster and there was definitely no after plan, but if NATO doesn't intervene in Libya, then Gadhafi massacres thousands of civilians, and then the cry is for why aren't you intervening? Afghanistan was/is essentially a stone aged society. A bloodbath with the Taliban is inevitable and would've happened long ago if it wasn't for US and NATO forces. But why do we care then? It's a lose lose situation but it's nothing different than what it was before the US invaded. Bloodshed will be more common and there will be more people fleeing their countries if the US keeps receding.

    The Middle East is a disaster, nobody can deny that, but that's what happens when you prop up dictator's for 30 years to hold these places together. If you keep supporting those types of actors, then people will complain about why you're supporting them and you're left in the same situation as you are now when you don't intervene to prop them up when their power is being threatened. When you say you don't want to be the world's police anymore it's fair, because you really were the world's police. But if you pull back, there's going to be a more chaotic world, especially as the decline of US power leaves vaccuums of influence that are filled in by nationalist governments like Russia and Turkey and then of course an emerging China.


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    Quote Originally Posted by flea View Post
    If you look at the post-USSR world and see peace you're on drugs.
    I disagree.


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    Quote Originally Posted by statquo View Post
    Iraq was truly the biggest disaster and factor of instability we've seen and what will always keep George W Bush as one of the worst presidents of all time (not to mention being on watch of 9/11). But I feel you're really underappreciating the US military's capabilities as a cause for good and stability. Take out the US military and ask yourself what Europe would look like? Does North Korea step over the DMZ and attack South Korea or Japan? What does Israel's security situation look like? Libya is a disaster and there was definitely no after plan, but if NATO doesn't intervene in Libya, then Gadhafi massacres thousands of civilians, and then the cry is for why aren't you intervening? Afghanistan was/is essentially a stone aged society. A bloodbath with the Taliban is inevitable and would've happened long ago if it wasn't for US and NATO forces. But why do we care then? It's a lose lose situation but it's nothing different than what it was before the US invaded. Bloodshed will be more common and there will be more people fleeing their countries if the US keeps receding.

    The Middle East is a disaster, nobody can deny that, but that's what happens when you prop up dictator's for 30 years to hold these places together. If you keep supporting those types of actors, then people will complain about why you're supporting them and you're left in the same situation as you are now when you don't intervene to prop them up when their power is being threatened. When you say you don't want to be the world's police anymore it's fair, because you really were the world's police. But if you pull back, there's going to be a more chaotic world, especially as the decline of US power leaves vaccuums of influence that are filled in by nationalist governments like Russia and Turkey and then of course an emerging China.

    Imagine if we hadn't gone into Iraq and destabilize those other middle east countries. Those refugees would be at home working on their own country problems like we do in our nation. It is their right and sole responsibility to change their nation. Sure those despotic leaders would have continued to kill a few thousands of their people (until their own people says that is enough), but millions (or Hundreds of thousand depend on what stat. you choose to believe) of people would be alive and living their lives. We bombed entire cities and created close to a million displaced people to prevent their leaders from killing thousands and that death total is what we are told by our leaders seeking justification for going to war. Remember WMD? That is some policing. Americans don't care what goes on within another country enough to go to war.
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    The only argument for the US Military causing peace the past 30 years is if you subscribe to the idea that without a single dominant military there would have been a global-scale war such as a World War and by the US' military existence we have prevented that. Otherwise, if you simply look at the track record, the US has been involved in a ridiculous amount of conflicts and in basically none of them have we seen a drastic stabilizing effect from our involvement.

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    Quote Originally Posted by ManRam View Post
    The US Special Representative for Iran, Brian Hook, held a call with staffers today and according to sources said the Saudis view this attack as "their 9/11".

    "Their 9/11" IMO was, you know...9/11.

    https://twitter.com/ZcohenCNN/status...30021342687233

    Honestly kind of insulting that anyone would say that and we wouldn't just laugh in their faces. Let's not eat up the propaganda this time.
    The only thing related to 9/11 that affects Saudi Arabia was OUR 9/11. More of their citizens died on 9/11/01 than did during the recent attack. If I were president, we would immediately stop any dealings with them because they are a rogue regime. I've got no love lost for Iran but Saudi Arabia has done infinitely more harm to us than Iran.
    Think long and hard about why you respond to nonsense. Please!


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