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    Quote Originally Posted by prodigy View Post
    Trump could have easily attacked the hate groups. choose not too. defend him all you want. Thats on him. He could've pointed out the stature protesters when he said fine people. He did not. BTW thats highly debatable if those are fine people. That statue reps the south who faught for slavery. Don't sound good to me.
    You can say this about both sides of "the color bar."

    Has Rev Jax or Sharpton or Wacky Maxine ever come out and condemned the Black Panthers, BLM, the knockout game etc.

    I doubt very much if Trump supports the KKK, white supremacy groups ior any other hate groups.

    There is no question that he is the most poorly spoken president I've ever seen or heard and he leaves almost everything he says open to whatever wild interpretation you want. The tweets are just idiotic for a m an in his position. (Actually, I think tweets are idiotic for anyone in any position. But that's another story.)

    He means that there are decent people on both sides of the racial spectrum. He does not mean that all people on both sides of the racial spectrum are decent people.

    But you can interpret it as you will…and you have.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    this doesn't eliminate that there were people not associated with the racist white nationalists, who instead wanted to protest for the statue. these could very well be fine people just protesting the statue.

    when David Duke endorses/supports someone then that someone should be expected to denounce/disavow/call out/whatever Duke, right? because Democrat Ilhan Omar still not ha done that.

    this from March.
    https://dailycaller.com/2019/03/07/d...tant-congress/










    why would racist white supremacists talk about Trump before 2015?

    if these racists think Trump supports them then they are wrong. you shouldn't believe and trust racist white supremacists nastynice.








    no. there are people (idiots) that say this.

    it's why some write things like this.
    http://www.saobserver.com/single-pos...-Going-Berserk


    I've seen people saying this, I don't need to back off of what I said.
    What "fine person" is going to sit there and fight for asymbol of racism to be displayed? That wouldn't be a fine person, that would be a piece of **** person.

    They didn't talk about him before 2015.it was only after he started he campaign as a vocal white supremacist president that they did. At least in their eyes that's the campaign he ran. That's why they love him and that's why he keeps pandering to them.

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    Quote Originally Posted by prodigy View Post
    Trump could have easily attacked the hate groups. choose not too. defend him all you want. Thats on him. He could've pointed out the stature protesters when he said fine people. He did not. BTW thats highly debatable if those are fine people. That statue reps the south who faught for slavery. Don't sound good to me.
    what would "attacked" mean? he has called them out. I posted the exact words he used, including this..
    TRUMP: Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.
    the argument can't be that Trump didn't say these things.

    people can be against slavery and what caused the statues, and still not want them torn down. I've posted this here before, but I imagine you haven't seen this before.

    https://dailycaller.com/2017/08/17/n...not-a-problem/

    NAACP Leader Defends Confederate Monuments: Statues Not A Problem
    One of the leaders in the National Association for the Advancement of Colored People (NAACP) spoke out against the removal of Confederate statues, saying they are a part of history.

    Speaking to reporters on Tuesday at City Hall in Bethlehem, Pennsylvania, local NAACP chapter president Esther Lee expressed her frustration with the current state of affairs in the U.S., WFMZ reported.

    “I think it’s all senseless. All senseless,” Lee said. “You know, we’re 108 years in as NAACPers and we might think things would improve, but they do not. You know we still have this factor about black and white.”

    Lee continued talking about Confederate statues, noting that it is pointless to take them down.

    “You know that’s history,” Lee said. “That was in that point in time. You can’t eliminate what history is. So I disapprove with young people pulling down those statues.”

    Lee put the tragic events of Charlottesville into perspective by pointing out that lives were lost – all because some people didn’t want to look at an object anymore.

    “A young woman died. Two officers were murdered in a plane crash and all for what? Because somebody in their mind decided, ‘we don’t need to look at that anymore.’ It shouldn’t be.”





    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    What "fine person" is going to sit there and fight for asymbol of racism to be displayed? That wouldn't be a fine person, that would be a piece of **** person.
    see above: Esther Lee.


    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    They didn't talk about him before 2015.it was only after he started he campaign as a vocal white supremacist president that they did. At least in their eyes that's the campaign he ran. That's why they love him and that's why he keeps pandering to them.
    you are making the decision to believe what these racists say. why do you believe them.

    these (again) are the words of President Trump.
    TRUMP: Racism is evil, and those who cause violence in its name are criminals and thugs, including the KKK, neo-Nazis, white supremacists and other hate groups that are repugnant to everything we hold dear as Americans.
    I really don't care what white supremacists say. they don't deserve to be believed in their delusional racist ideology.

    the anti-Trump movement seems to be getting dumber

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    You can say this about both sides of "the color bar."

    Has Rev Jax or Sharpton or Wacky Maxine ever come out and condemned the Black Panthers, BLM, the knockout game etc.

    I doubt very much if Trump supports the KKK, white supremacy groups ior any other hate groups.

    There is no question that he is the most poorly spoken president I've ever seen or heard and he leaves almost everything he says open to whatever wild interpretation you want. The tweets are just idiotic for a m an in his position. (Actually, I think tweets are idiotic for anyone in any position. But that's another story.)

    He means that there are decent people on both sides of the racial spectrum. He does not mean that all people on both sides of the racial spectrum are decent people.

    But you can interpret it as you will…and you have.
    Yes, it is our fault that Trump's statements are so poorly worded.

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post

    https://dailycaller.com/2017/08/17/n...not-a-problem/











    see above: Esther Lee.




    you are making the decision to believe what these racists say. why do you believe them.

    these (again) are the words of President Trump.


    I really don't care what white supremacists say. they don't deserve to be believed in their delusional racist ideology.
    It's not that I'm believing what racists are saying, it's that I believe my eyes and ears, and my eyes and ears hear and see trump pandering to this group.

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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    It's not that I'm believing what racists are saying, it's that I believe my eyes and ears, and my eyes and ears hear and see trump pandering to this group.
    no doubt. this is your bias and how you want to interpret what you see/hear. you want to believe this. this perception is not reality.

    the anti-Trump movement seems to be getting dumber

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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    no doubt. this is your bias and how you want to interpret what you see/hear. you want to believe this. this perception is not reality.
    Haha, why would I WANT that?

    Your post is complete bull ****, if Obama tried to specifically ban whites from actions everyone else is sowed, if he purposely went out of his way to fabricate instances about white people cheering a mass civilian attack, then you would say the same about Obama. But since it's trump and not Obama, and since you are the one he is catering to and not the one he is attacking, you are some how oblivious to it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    Has Rev Jax or Sharpton or Wacky Maxine ever come out and condemned the Black Panthers, BLM, the knockout game etc.
    WTF?? lmao!! Well lets state the facts first. BLM is a group started for good reasons that yes some bad people join or pretend to join just to fight and cause issues. But the group itself is not meant to be a hate group no matter what trump tells you. Even if you disagree with their charities and marches. KKK on the other hand lol, What good have they ever done? Knockout game? I grew up in the projects i have no idea what that is. Black panthers should be condemned yes. But once again they are not even close to what the KKK and white supremacists. Thats a fact. But if i were black and the panthers supported me i would condemn in a heart beat.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    I doubt very much if Trump supports the KKK, white supremacy groups or any other hate groups.
    This you have no idea on. The fact he takes a long time to condemn white hate groups makes you raise an eyebrow. The fact he dodges the questions raise an eyebrow. Trump knows a large group of his fans are racists. so he caters to them. I won't say he has hatred for people of color, but he def gives the impression he does.

    Quote Originally Posted by Sluggo1 View Post
    He means that there are decent people on both sides of the racial spectrum. He does not mean that all people on both sides of the racial spectrum are decent people.
    What myself and the other poster were talking about what his comments during those protests awhile back. One side you had a bunch of Neo-nazis, KKK and other white supremacists. Other side you had people protesting against These race groups. Yes this all started with a statue, but i hope one the race issue broke out those people left. But even those peopel i question big time. Hard for me to call those groups fine people.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    what would "attacked" mean? he has called them out. I posted the exact words he used, including this..
    Problem? its usually weeks after he was asked too lmao! Thats the problem. When his team demands he does it, he does. great job Mr. president lol. If i asked him to condemn the KKK he won't. But 2 weeks later he will come out and do it. Sorry it don't work like that because he already fed the hate groups.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    Haha, why would I WANT that?

    Your post is complete bull ****, if Obama tried to specifically ban whites from actions everyone else is sowed, if he purposely went out of his way to fabricate instances about white people cheering a mass civilian attack, then you would say the same about Obama. But since it's trump and not Obama, and since you are the one he is catering to and not the one he is attacking, you are some how oblivious to it.
    facts.

    What if obama was married 3 times 2 divorces. Cheated on on 3 wives. Banged porn stars and used campaign donations to pay them off?? i can keep going.
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    Quote Originally Posted by nastynice View Post
    Haha, why would I WANT that?

    Your post is complete bull ****, if Obama tried to specifically ban whites from actions everyone else is sowed, if he purposely went out of his way to fabricate instances about white people cheering a mass civilian attack, then you would say the same about Obama. But since it's trump and not Obama, and since you are the one he is catering to and not the one he is attacking, you are some how oblivious to it.
    are you really going on with something about white people again.

    if there was a radical white group compared to ISIS that wanted to kill Americans and called for lone wolf attacks then the same thing would be done. you don't want to accept this because you don't want to accept radical Islam is a reality. you still not once have had a problem with radical Islam despite me giving you multiple opportunities to have a problem with the people that have abused your religion.

    you have a problem with this theory that things have been against Islam in general, but that is not reality. that is your perception. you are more interested in countering against what you believe is happening than calling out the radicals that abuse Islam.

    how did you spin to this again when what was being discussed was race and racism.






    Quote Originally Posted by prodigy View Post
    What myself and the other poster were talking about what his comments during those protests awhile back. One side you had a bunch of Neo-nazis, KKK and other white supremacists. Other side you had people protesting against These race groups. Yes this all started with a statue, but i hope one the race issue broke out those people left. But even those peopel i question big time. Hard for me to call those groups fine people.
    both sides had hate, which is what Trump called out day 1. Antifa on the other side protesting against the white supremacists are also violent hateful people.

    I can understand an argument that there were also fine people on that side not associated with Antifa, so why is it so hard to accept that there were also fine people not associated with the white supremacists?

    I thought Trump on this issue was brutally honest. both sides had hate, both sides had fine people.

    I can understand people questioning why anyone not associated with the white supremacists would still stay there, but why should they leave when the reason they were there was justified.
    this could be comparable to a Black Lives Matter protest that got out of hand with some bad people, the rest of the BLM there for a valid reason shouldn't be expected to leave.


    Quote Originally Posted by prodigy View Post
    Problem? its usually weeks after he was asked too lmao! Thats the problem. When his team demands he does it, he does. great job Mr. president lol. If i asked him to condemn the KKK he won't. But 2 weeks later he will come out and do it. Sorry it don't work like that because he already fed the hate groups.
    what Trump said about Charlottesville about racism was 2 days later. he called out the hate on both sides the very same day, and then was more specific 2 days later.

    the anti-Trump movement seems to be getting dumber

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    Quote Originally Posted by Jeffy25 View Post
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    Quote Originally Posted by SpecialFNK View Post
    are you really going on with something about white people again.

    if there was a radical white group compared to ISIS that wanted to kill Americans and called for lone wolf attacks then the same thing would be done. you don't want to accept this because you don't want to accept radical Islam is a reality. you still not once have had a problem with radical Islam despite me giving you multiple opportunities to have a problem with the people that have abused your religion.

    you have a problem with this theory that things have been against Islam in general, but that is not reality. that is your perception. you are more interested in countering against what you believe is happening than calling out the radicals that abuse Islam.

    how did you spin to this again when what was being discussed was race and racism.








    both sides had hate, which is what Trump called out day 1. Antifa on the other side protesting against the white supremacists are also violent hateful people.

    I can understand an argument that there were also fine people on that side not associated with Antifa, so why is it so hard to accept that there were also fine people not associated with the white supremacists?

    I thought Trump on this issue was brutally honest. both sides had hate, both sides had fine people.

    I can understand people questioning why anyone not associated with the white supremacists would still stay there, but why should they leave when the reason they were there was justified.
    this could be comparable to a Black Lives Matter protest that got out of hand with some bad people, the rest of the BLM there for a valid reason shouldn't be expected to leave.




    what Trump said about Charlottesville about racism was 2 days later. he called out the hate on both sides the very same day, and then was more specific 2 days later.

    I can't believe you are so gone from reality. you truly are a republican. the way to answer questions is by deflecting and saying "this person did it first". The fact you start talking about BLM, black panthers, Antifa you are just deflecting. We all know Trump bashed those groups 5 days before they were even started. Thats a good thing. But he forgot the other hate groups...

    You need to become an independent. We will welcome you with open arms so you can view everyone and every party with clear eyes. I can't stand the party system. its a joke.
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    Quote Originally Posted by valade16 View Post
    Yes, it is our fault that Trump's statements are so poorly worded.
    No. All of Trump's problems are his own causing. He talks too much. He tweets way too much (one would be too many for my liking). He has soundbites, actually multiple soundbites pretty much every day. I've never seen another president talk as much as he does.

    Obama, Bush, Clinton all worked this to an art form…Hillary in particular. They never said too much and left pretty much everythiong they said open to interpretation multiple ways. (Remember this one… It depends on what the meaning of the word "is" is.?)

    Trump needs to learn the fine art of shutting up.

    But he won't.

    If he didn't speak for the next 16 months he'd be re-elected easily. However, he will talk himself right out of a second term.

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