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  1. #46
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    I would love a Kamara type and he was picked as the 67th pick in the 3rd round. What a steal. A good backup can sometimes even keep a team going like CJ Anderson who picked up the slack for a mysteriously declining Todd Gurley. The organization should probably put some pieces and Kellem moore's job this season to get the ball out of Dak's hands quicker and make the decisions easier. That's by having some good short to intermediate targets and sets that can get them free. The Patriots didn't even have a deep threat and seem to be able to move the ball with guys that are not speedsters.

    I saw on several NFL shows that the Cowboys will have major decisions to make on how much to pay Demarcus Lawrence, Zeke, Dak, Byron Jones....and maybe even some lineman. Zeke might even hold out and Dak said that he won't take a home town discount. Also, there was a segment on how Zach Martin did well, but guys like Looney and Connor Williams were not as strong and that's why the line wasn't as good.

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    Whoever's in the drafting department has done a really good job in the last 5 years, better than in year's past. Zach Martin, Vander Esch, etc. weren't sexy picks but somehow turned into cornerstone players. Even gambles on players like Jaylon paid off. They didn't hit on everyone, but most teams do not. It's better than certain seasons where the Cowboys completely whiffed. So they might just find some of these gems in the draft again. Free agents are so pricey. Even our own.

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    Depending on what QB gets drafted where, I'd trade up to grab one. Dak is not a top 5 QB in this league and shouldn't be paid like one. If he wants a stupid amount of money, let him walk or trade him!

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    Quote Originally Posted by lbz88 View Post
    Depending on what QB gets drafted where, I'd trade up to grab one. Dak is not a top 5 QB in this league and shouldn't be paid like one. If he wants a stupid amount of money, let him walk or trade him!
    If they are going to do that then this is definitely the year it needs to be done. Also his agent is known to have his clients hold out. Not sure that Dak actually would hold out however we could starting the season with both Dak and Zeke holding out.

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    Quote Originally Posted by lbz88 View Post
    Depending on what QB gets drafted where, I'd trade up to grab one. Dak is not a top 5 QB in this league and shouldn't be paid like one. If he wants a stupid amount of money, let him walk or trade him!

    Hes not getting paid like a top 5 QB. Hes being paid market value as a top 15 qb which he is. plus we cant have a 40 million dollar QB five years from now and have a competitive roster. The cap does go up every year but not at a high enough rate for the qb market to keep sky rocketing like it is. One day the QB market will go back down, maybe at the next CBA but thats a few years away.

    Plus 4 QB's in a weak class are projected to go in the first round. Dont know who you think you are getting in the mid 40s but its not a top 5 upside QB. If we trade up in the second round to get to 42 for example, its going to cost us our third rounder.

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    Also there is one top 5 QB that wins all of the time with a subpar overall roster. The roster has players here or there but on paper the patriots arent that talented. Brady and double B make that team what it is.

    Look at the past 10 superbowls. Most participants have a well rounded roster with either a cheap, good young qb. The patriots are literally the exception to this, a cheap veteran roster with the GOAT. Even Aaron Rodgers isnt filling all the holes on this team, sorry, not happening. The system is based in the mid-90s, the defense as good as it was this year still has issues and the OL isnt the OL of 2014 let alone 2016. Age gets to everyone, injuries gets to everyone.

    there is literally no sense in paying everyone and waiting two to three years for a QB in a weak class to hopefully develop into a top 5 QB, not one logical reason. This team is in win now mode, not build for two years and have yet another small window to win three years from now.

    And guess what...if you take a qb in this class, he has two good years, even dak years....you are paying him more money in 3-4 years than you are paying dak in 2019.

    if you are looking to draft a qb then the only option to do is tag and trade tank, next year do the same with jones, trade zeke and trade smith so you suck and increase the odds of finding that qb you think you want.

    remember this team tried to trade up for paxton lynch, cook, and wanted to draft johnny football before literally being gifted dak, so lets not act like this team has an eye for the QB position. Parcells and Payton found romo, not jerruh, not garrett, not mcclay.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farty Farts View Post
    Also there is one top 5 QB that wins all of the time with a subpar overall roster. The roster has players here or there but on paper the patriots arent that talented. Brady and double B make that team what it is.

    Look at the past 10 superbowls. Most participants have a well rounded roster with either a cheap, good young qb. The patriots are literally the exception to this, a cheap veteran roster with the GOAT. Even Aaron Rodgers isnt filling all the holes on this team, sorry, not happening. The system is based in the mid-90s, the defense as good as it was this year still has issues and the OL isnt the OL of 2014 let alone 2016. Age gets to everyone, injuries gets to everyone.

    there is literally no sense in paying everyone and waiting two to three years for a QB in a weak class to hopefully develop into a top 5 QB, not one logical reason. This team is in win now mode, not build for two years and have yet another small window to win three years from now.

    And guess what...if you take a qb in this class, he has two good years, even dak years....you are paying him more money in 3-4 years than you are paying dak in 2019.

    if you are looking to draft a qb then the only option to do is tag and trade tank, next year do the same with jones, trade zeke and trade smith so you suck and increase the odds of finding that qb you think you want.

    remember this team tried to trade up for paxton lynch, cook, and wanted to draft johnny football before literally being gifted dak, so lets not act like this team has an eye for the QB position. Parcells and Payton found romo, not jerruh, not garrett, not mcclay.
    Donít be surprised if Dak holds out for a new contract. He has 1 year left on his deal and personally I would make him play it out but I think he wants to get paid now and will hold out. If they donít find a decent backup for him we could be starting the season with Cooper Rush as the QB.

    If they do plan on moving on from Red next off season there is no way I would want to pay Dak long term money, even if he did give a discount (which he said heís not). Whoever they bring in may want to go in a different direction. Canít do that if Dak just signed a 5 year deal.

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    If a good system is in place it doesn't matter who the QB is. Look at Matt Cassell in NE. Look at Dak his rookie year.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Mr.B View Post
    Donít be surprised if Dak holds out for a new contract. He has 1 year left on his deal and personally I would make him play it out but I think he wants to get paid now and will hold out. If they donít find a decent backup for him we could be starting the season with Cooper Rush as the QB.

    If they do plan on moving on from Red next off season there is no way I would want to pay Dak long term money, even if he did give a discount (which he said heís not). Whoever they bring in may want to go in a different direction. Canít do that if Dak just signed a 5 year deal.

    sean payton if he is who jerry wants, isnt leaving his young roster in new orleans to come to dallas to coach a team with no qb. As far as taking a discount, he shouldnt if you are talking business. would we all like him too, absolutely so we can keep another player or two. but like he said he doesnt have a wife who makes far more money than he does. really the only qb to sign a discounted contract in terms of their household income has been andy dalton. dak is better than carr, better than stafford, arguably better than cam. he isnt a 40 TD a year guy but he doesnt throw that many picks, his td to int ratio is exceptional, oh and since he entered the league, has more game winning drives than any qb in the league during his tenure.

    completion percentage at 65%? check
    clutch? check
    leader? check

    his only knocks are he isnt a gun slinger, doesnt have huge numbers and isnt top 5 all three are logically unreasonable for every team in the league to have.

    he is 1-2 in the playoffs yet has outplayed two SB winning QBs in two of those games and outplayed goff. ill give the outlier that we couldnt stop the run so goff didnt have to throw that well or at all and when he did, whoever jones was guarding was always open. so if we did stop their running attack maybe goff would have put up big numbers but thats not what happened so he didnt.

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    Jeffrey simmons who has character issues but also considered a top 10 pick has a torn ACL. Add him to the list of players we should sacrifice our third rounder for. Yes we dont value the DT position but this is the type of player at DT dallas would draft in the first round. Yes it goes against getting 3 players that can contribute by using two picks for a guy who will miss the season at least most of it.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Farty Farts View Post
    Jeffrey simmons who has character issues but also considered a top 10 pick has a torn ACL. Add him to the list of players we should sacrifice our third rounder for. Yes we dont value the DT position but this is the type of player at DT dallas would draft in the first round. Yes it goes against getting 3 players that can contribute by using two picks for a guy who will miss the season at least most of it.
    First thing I thought of when I saw this. Feel like the injury turned him into an automatic candidate for a risk reward pick.


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    Itís been leaked that the cowboys are playing the dolphins on thanksgiving.

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    The Cowboys also aren't picking up Terrence Williams option.

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    Would you trade Elliot to a team for their starting running back (not named Barkley, Gurley, Mixon, Carson, McCaffrey, Henry, or Peterson) and draft picks (this years 1st and next years 1st for starters) and sign Bell?

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